Results, box of pennies 11/12/06, updated 11/24/06

[HobBob]

Hey y'all,
Plowed through another box of pennies this week.
Here's the results:

Wheaties liberated - 6 (1944* 1944S 1945 1956 1956D 1957)
Copper (1959-1981) - 661
Canadian - 80

...*With what I think is a die / strike error.
Take a look at this penny. It looks to me like this penny planchet de-laminated in several places during the striking process, then someone took a sharp instrument and knocked off a protruding copper sliver. I have seen a post in the past with a penny that looked somewhat like this, but can't remember what this error mode is called.
On either side of the cracks, the surface of the penny is at different levels.

Anyone else remember?
HH,
Bob

 

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[Immy]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

Ole Abe is looking pretty rough there Bob. Good wheatie finds regardless. I remember the post you're referring to but I can't recall any term beyond simply the lamination effect. Maybe "split after the strike"?

 

[hollowpointred]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

interesting but a shame someone mauled it like that.nice finds though. a nice conversation piece.

 

[enamel7]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

Simply what you said- Lamination error.
Have you found any type II reverses yet?

 

[Smithrow1]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

I agree with enamel7 its a lamination error. Nice find.

 

[HobBob]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

Simply what you said- Lamination error.
Have you found any type II reverses yet?

No, though I have to confess that, after going through one box, I kinda got lazy and stopped checking. That was 5 or 6 boxes ago.
I would still like to find one, though!
Thanks for asking (and for the nudge to keep looking).
HH,
Bob

 

[bobr]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

Just a rookie speaking here, but what is a type II reverse?

 

[HobBob]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

Here's a very good quote from Immy which explains what a "type II" reverse is -

Re: Penny searchs.
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2006, 11:24:30 AM » Quote

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The type II's go like this -

In 1993 the mint started using slightly changed dies for the reverse of all proof cents (S mints). The old die shows the AM in America so close that they're just about touching at the base. The new style has a definite space between the base of the letters. All P & D cents from 1993 on have the closely spaced AM, but a few years were accidentally made with the new proof dies (with the AM spaced apart). The designer's initals are also slightly different in the new style. To date only 1998, 1999 & 2000 pennies have been found with the "wide AM" variety.

But get this. Recently a 1992 with a "close AM" has been found. All pre-1993 pennies are the "wide" style. Since the change took place in 1993, a 1992 with a "close AM" is probably a prototype test for the new design.

So check all pennies 1993-present for "wide AM" varieties and check 1992's for a "close AM".

 

[bobr]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

Thanks for the information. That'll give me something else to look for when I am doing pennies.

 

[HobBob]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

Bob,
Here's some examples of type I and type II reverses. See how the bottom of the 'A' and 'M' are almost touching? There is a noticeable gap between the 'A' and 'M' with the type II. It is much easier to tell with a magnifying glass.

 

[goldinmypan]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

The 'FG' are different also.

 

[Paul in WA]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

This may be the post you were thinking of.....

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,49555.msg353805.html#msg353805

it is called a lamination error.

Paul

 

[HobBob]

Re: Results, box of pennies 11/12/06

Interestingly, another 1944 penny lamination error has recently been found:
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,58460.msg414266.html#msg414266

 

[bcs123]

that is kinda weired that so many 44's are having lamination errors...i didnt know about the am's either thinks for the info its kinda hard to tell i guess but they look the same to me (not the fg though thats considerable diffrent...)

 

[Immy]

They used salvaged cartridge cases for 1944-1946.Maybe a slightly different metal?

That's right mountainman, and it's as good a reason as I've heard for more laminations than normal. It's a real possibility that they couldn't get the alloy just right. Congress should look at 1944 as what can happen when there's a metal change. I think the penny should go rather than experiment with a new alloy.

 

[Snee]

Very nice!