Sacramento water board meeting tomorrow feb 6

[Tuolumne]

http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/water_issues/programs/npdes/docs/revised_notice_suction_dredging_pub.pdf

WEBCAST OF WORKSHOP
A broadcast of the Sacramento workshop to be held on February 6, 2017 will be available at: https://video.calepa.ca.gov.

How many are going and how many plan to speak?

What ratio of miners to whiners do you think will show/speak?
So fars it's been in miners favor

How about meeting prop bet? How many times Trumps name comes up in public comment! Lol

Some of my slides will get a good chuckle for sure

 

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[Tuolumne]

were live folks, looks like only 50 people showed up

gold pans on the display table?! looks good to me

send in your written coments, they have to read everything not just notes taken by lady with pen and board

Craig great first presentation, way better than fresno, now shannon has a good start so far, way better than fresno, Amar showing video Senetor Allen is great- Amra doing great job, big applause.... we have the edge guys

first sierra club guy was a robot- no applause

good job Jeff! big applause

Karuk lawyer no powerpoint? she actually said that dredgers do more damage than nature? There are hot spots and we dont know where they are? cannot monitor a dredge? How about monitor mother nature merc movment your soo close to and know all about! Your 3 minutes are up! shes out of her casino element, a long way from home.... seems like she like drinking the full mercury water and not like the 2%, I will take 2% anyday, she can keep her legendary merc

Good Job Steve- nice applause

smokey the bear, good talk on fire and sweeping under the sediment... way to not be bullied off the podium when your 3 minutes were up- best applause!

San Gabriel is been mention a bunch of times, suckers get u every time- that was enviroes best so far, looks like coastal and wild scenic or steelhead/salmon/legacy trout will be wanted off limits......



Kevin representing mining districts good conclusion, more applause

Steel dress for impress. He wants definition explained on defining dredge, dredging..

sierra fund is up, will she get no applause like the other 2 enviros? No applause yet! three strikes your out

Small business owner- great angle, great applause

Rick- former waterboard employee ( maybe he got fired for wearing that ugly hat in the office) and sierra fund guy- he likes to drink 100% merc water, it shows, no applause, take a seat

Jerimiah good scientific study show of hand who got paid to be here? (sierra fund raises hand) WHo got off work and lost money to be hear? 50 people raise hands!! great great great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well said on everything- Jerimiah lets car pool, Im in your area- Nice applause

Sherry Indian lobby-she drinks from the 100% merc cup..... no applause

Robert- Mining district and delta gold digger, another science study show of hands of claim owners who were informed or not informed-great job- 2% drinkers are all well spoken- first mention of 1872 mining law and she wrote it down on the note board......nice applause

*every pro miner speaker did great job of out environmenting the enviros, out hippy the neo-hippies- dredging as filter for our water-

side comments---get those notices sent out please to BLM claim owners- comments on this are due by Feb 28th!

David from Sierra for responsible resource development or something environmental group,established 2015-100% merc drinker? I think NOT!! 2% merc environmental!! wow he agrees with us!!!! wow wow wow
first environmentalist to fully back us on the merc issue!!!! Dredging as best way to remove this legacy poison - Give him more time, keep talking David- promotes responsible dredging and Merc reporting/Disposal part of permit- Fees from permit be minimal, which has been said many times
great applause for the environmentalist/dredgers

Alberto Ramirez- Mine Pro- Facts on merc soluable, talks about his teeth, great point......Chemical reaction talk on cold water merc in rivers vs Water storage areas.......every season merc goes to delta, prime Methymerc habitat, climate change make this worse.....temp of Delta goes up a bigger problem. Need to dredge to get Merc out now- Nice applause

Ken- real minor-Gold moves America- Many Veterans in audience. Doesnt like fake news and alternative facts by the 100% merc drinkers. Does not want Oregon regulations that were adopted to be cast in Cali- nice applause

#izzy comming up, will she get booed?

Georgie cant make up his mind when he wants to go, some jockying of positions here, people upset about Izzy/sierra fund get last word on speaking slots-

Mr Mcmaster- on economics of dredging!!!! 2% drinker patented mine owner- not bullied by the 3 minute time frame, speak on- nice applause

Eric- 2% drinker- Small business owner- Environmentalist- his job is environemtal remediations business, who would want to drink 100% merc? Eureka for Eric and us all! good applause

Sierra fund Izzy presentation?? Get your powerpoint working before you present it for the first time in 5 meetings!
she love to drink 100% merc and she just said so
Combie myth? alternative fact or alternative fiction? They monitor merc funds? shes attacking the minors and not talking about water permits- trying to distance herself from Combie, whats up with the mining camp propaganda pictures of tweaker camp grounds?

not as good as the other paid enviros speaking, her speech is the worst of the day so far, very rambling and not on point, worst powerpoint by far....1000 yards requiring the reclamation permit? So izzy will let us get a permit if we dont disturb 1000 yards?? .4 people applause and some rebel-

comments and questions from public now again

good power sluicing comments.....

to me it looks like we scored with support and comments this meeting

 

[goldenmojo]

Todd. Thanks for the play by play for those of us that couldn't make it.

 

[Goldfleks]

Suckerfish are gone and not coming back to the lower San Gabriel. 8 Years of banning suction dredging haven't brought it back in any reasonable number to the headwaters. Lining the rivers with concrete to control flooding of Los Angelos and eliminating its habitat is why this fish is Endangered. Suction dredging didn't pave the waterways.

You ask the old timers who used to dredge and they used to see the suckerfish all the time. Most of them haven't seen one in years. Two competing ideologies. One with deeper pockets.

Edit: Did they ever get a fish study post-Army Core of Engineers paving away the Sucker habitat. Or was the fish found to be endangered post habitat elimination and then the suction dredges blamed for the reduction in population. With 8 years of time to increase in population in the headwaters, there should be a measurable increase in the number of sucker fish which would show a correlation between suction dredging and suckerfish population. If the population is the same or reduced then dredging isn't a cause of the decline in the fish populations.

 

[Goldwasher]

I'm that small business owner

 

[Goldwasher]

I couldn't figure out who Todd was. That was my son and I sitting in the back. Good to talk to Shannon again and see Mike , Brandon and his old man.
The miners were very prepared.
I got a head count of 64 to 70.

About ten at most were anti dredging

 

[Goldwasher]

hearing Izzy say how she was proud to take part in democracy and the rule making process, while your a person, being part of the larger representative side. Oh man

Then trying to assert that most any dredge owner with a claim most likely would do so much work that smara would have to kick in so, the swrcb should not issue a permit and we should go for a smara permit. Shannon and I just looked at each other and shook our heads.

While we are in a room because she lobbied to put the swrcb in charge of it. BECAUSE she hopes/plans to make sure they deem a permit something that should not be issued.

While I was mentioning that a sluice is a sluice and water is water and how it gets to and in through doesn't matter so neither does a motor. Or based on the "definition" it essentially would have to matter to other motors.

She was nodding her head while I was talking, I could hear her squeaky wheels turning...even over her COPD.

Its a frustrating thing that being a whole heap of right could just backfire But, what are you gonna do. that's why I mentioned that it was about being on record if anything.

Kudos to those who took the time to speak. I know it's hard not to be nervous. I tell you what though, we weren't the ones sounding like boy's turning into teenagers.

That lady representing the Krooked KRaKrOOKS of the north was enjoyable to watch squirm her way through her lies.

 

[AMP_kbell]

Miners did a great job of hitting all the important points from several different perspectives. I spent a lot of the time watching their (WB) faces - By the end of the meeting they seemed to fully grasp our position. Several miners made the point about us being the real stewards of public lands...Impressive.

AMRA's video on the dredge and the fish release hit them pretty hard.

All the Enviros seemed to gravitate toward the emotional aspect - We countered with facts, proper interpretation of the law and perspective on the impacts on small business and local economies.

I thought it was great during the final Q & A when Robert told them he would give the WB and DFW a free booth at the upcoming gold show so they could talk face to face with miners and hear their concerns - Hopefully they take them up on it. A fellow DGD member and I were talking with the DFW Rep. after the meeting - She seems genuinely interested in understanding how we mine and working with us towards a sensible solution. I wouldn't be surprised if she shows up to the gold show on Saturday.

 

[Goldfleks]

I personally enjoyed the pictures of the trashed mining camps. As if every miner does that and condones it.

 

[AMP_kbell]

Also Izzy made sure her presentation had plenty of pictures of homeless encampments she labeled as abandoned dredger camps. what crap.
A pointless attempt to undermine our message which no one including the WB bought into.

Sorry Goldfleks jumped on your point. Crappy point worth saying twice - she is truly pitiful

 

[Goldwasher]

we need more insight into the actual "board"..I was talking to Shannon about that.

 

[wildminer]

Thank you gentlemen for what you are doing and for making your reports of the meeting available.

 

[Goldwasher]

Keep plugging away. Keep your chins up!

Form your districts make them correct and intact. For the love of Pete there is someone in every region. Shore them up , but stop county hopping and and the fencing off of such large country. It is the reason you won't get more support on the ground. Make your associations.Help others, help yourself. Go to the table. If we show them we are serious and informed they will have to show respect.

I will be sending some PM'S

 

[QNCrazy]

3 minutes really wasn't enough time. Pressure is a killer for me. I hate public speaking. Thank goodness Alberto and several others were there to cover the facts about mercury and methylation process better than me. Miner's did well. Shannon made a major improvement over his first presentation and IMHO slam dunked it.

 

[winners58]

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[Tony_agr]

I was at a GPAA show yesterday, went to the seminar that Shannon Held, He is 100% right, we the rest of the miners/prospectors need to get involved, the ones that went to the water board seminar,thanks, but you need more of us to have your back.. its time for the rest of us to stand and make a fuss, make phone calls to these people,emails etc, to those of you with social media, do your thing, if we say nothing we get and lose maybe everything, all the politicians care about is getting re-elected, if we unite maybe that will get these politico's thinking that re-election make be in trouble if large opposition to the DWRB.. Thanks to Shannon and the rest of you for devoting your time and energy to this cause

 

[AMP_kbell]

Tony - The best thing we can all do is send written comments to the WB - Comment on what was presented at the meeting, present some additional facts or just write a letter on how no dredging affects you financially. Make sure it is in by February 28th. We should have 500 letters asking the WB to have Izzy provide documentation of the "old dredge camps" in her presentation.