SovGT-----Excal.....same thing inside just one waterproof?

[marco]

I've read many many posts prasing both the Sov and Excal. I found a pretty scientific depth test on a range of water detectors performed by a salvage company and the depths on Sov vs Excal were almost exactly the same...and deep. Same company....multi frequency...ect. Is there really any difference except that one is waterproof and one isnt?

 

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[penzfan]

That's the only difference that I know of. GL and HH

 

[bootybay]

I love em both.

 

[hubcap76]

I would even say the sov xs2-a is the equivalent as well to both, I know I <3 mine. Maybe I'm bias

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[Fletch88]

The Sov GT has Accu-Track digital GB in AM mode making it better in mid-highly mineralized areas, but in disc mode they both use the same digital ground filtering. The GT also has iron mask which can help pick targets out of iron infested areas somewhat better. The straight shaft sovereign is very well balanced with factory shaft. The stock Excal shaft is all but unusable out of the water so most mount the pods on an aftermarket rear mount or O/U mount straight shaft costing another 100-$300 more.

 

[dewcon4414]

Id have to disagree with those tests. Halo alone will tell you the Sov is deeper than the Xcal. You almost have to put the scoop behind you when hunting with the Sov. If that were the case why buy a Sov thats not waterproof when an Xcal will do it all on the beach.... and in the water? The Sov also has 2 adjustments inside the box for threshold and pitch hold. The Xcals headphones and coils are hard wired too.

Dew

 

[bigscoop]

Sov VS Excal..........not sure why you're wanting to know if they are basically the same or not so here's my suggestion. One is a land based machine and the other is designed for water. I know a guy who bought a Sov and then couldn't resist crowding the waterline, in the first year he had to send it back in "twice" due to water mishaps. So "if" you plan on getting anywhere close to the water then get a machine that's designed for the water. The difference between the Sov and Excal are so minute it really comes down to the environment you'll be hunting in. The Sov isn't designed for water use and the Excal isn't designed for land use. Neither one of these machines, by thier factory design, is very suitable to both hunting environments, if that's what you're considering?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I have owned waterproofed Sov GT in past and still own Sov GT now. I still hunt in the shallow water with it and wet sand, Sov GT is a fantastic beach detector, but you can't go too deep with it as it isn't waterproof....

 

[bigscoop]

I have owned waterproofed Sov GT in past and still own Sov GT now. I still hunt in the shallow water with it and wet sand, Sov GT is a fantastic beach detector, but you can't go too deep with it as it isn't waterproof....

Agreed, but you know how the ocean is. I've been in knee deep water one minute and taken one square in the chest the next. And let's face it, water hunting is an attraction that just keeps tempting you....."Come on, just a bit deeper. There's a goodie or two out here." The first time Dave flushed his Sov he was hunting the shoreline, leaned over to pluck a find and his machine took a high one that killed it dead. The second time he was exploring knee deep water on a very calm day, swell came up behind him and killed his Sov again. Now Dave won't go near the water's edge with that Sov. I think he figures there might be something to the, "three & out" rule.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I know what you mean... If I'm going deeper than knee deep I will just go get my excal. I use my Sov mainly for the wet sand up to knee deep...

 

[bigscoop]

I know what you mean... If I'm going deeper than knee deep I will just go get my excal. I use my Sov mainly for the wet sand up to knee deep...

Set me on fire, love my Excal, but I've been feeling the need for a different "special purpose/use" machine.

 

[redcobra8u]

Set me on fire, love my Excal, but I've been feeling the need for a different "special purpose/use" machine.

what would that be?

 

[bigscoop]

what would that be?

The deepest machine I can get with the smallest coil possible.

 

[dewcon4414]

BS..... then that would be a PI since surface coverage is about the only difference between coils. You looking at one of the new ones... out or coming out? Me and you both know DEEP... means sensitive to gold not fish hooks.

Dew

 

[Fletch88]

The deepest machine I can get with the smallest coil possible.

how about an 8" CZ-21? I just can't go back to a PI machine even though they are deep and very durable, I really like to be able to at least tell the target is iron or disc it out completely.

 

[bigscoop]

Fletch, Dewcon,
There is just one area of beach that I've yet to figure out how to effectively attack? Or even if it can be effectively attacked? The biggest obstacle is "drag" and the biggest concern is depth with a fair amount of sensitivity. So, needless to say, my wheels have been spinning.

 

[bigscoop]

how about an 8" CZ-21? I just can't go back to a PI machine even though they are deep and very durable, I really like to be able to at least tell the target is iron or disc it out completely.

I've considered it.....know them well and have a lot of experience with the CZ, just not sure it's the best option VS a PI machine. Trust me, there's going to so few targets I seriously doubt iron is going to wear me out.

 

[search and recovery]

I was thinking along the same lines as you, BS, just a few days ago. But more for the reason of, if my Excall were to go in for repairs then what machine would I use until repairs were made? I want a machine that descriminates out iron at least. I have a Sand Shark and a Dual Field for PI machines. I prefer the Dual Field with the Anderson weight, but only for in the water. Too heavy with the weight on dry or wet sand. I really struggled with a CZ 21 or another Excall and finally ordered another Excall for my peace of mind. I have already spoken with Joe about modding the new Excall for me this winter when he has time, just like my first Excall. I guess that tells you how much I think about this machine with the mods done.
And just for the record. I happen to own that waterproof Soveign that used to be Treasure Hunters. Works great but attracts too much attention on a crowded beach so I usually only bring it out early and late in the day and at night.
So I guess you could say that I own too many machines ( Is that even possible? ). But not enough time to detect with all of them. But I will not be without something I have great confidence To get the job done right with.
Let us know what you decide on....Stuart

 

[lost items recovery]

how about an 8" CZ-21? I just can't go back to a PI machine even though they are deep and very durable, I really like to be able to at least tell the target is iron or disc it out completely.

I second that about going back to a P.I...wouldn't be able to handle it.
Excal power! Lol!

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[bigscoop]

I second that about going back to a P.I...wouldn't be able to handle it.
Excal power! Lol!

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Trust me.....I fully expect iron to be scarce as well otherwise I wouldn't even consider a PI. On the other hand, there just might be some iron items of interest as well in a couple of these areas. as for the CZ, love them, and I've not completely ruled one out.