Spain has got its underwater cultural heritage back

[Alexandre]

Here's dedicated to you, Ossy!

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

Here's dedicated to you, Ossy!

The People who died on the Mercedes preventing the English from taking the goods will be at rest now
Ossy

 

[Alexandre]

Those coins are huge. Funny thing is: we only have a glimpse of them when they back into the hands of the public.

http://translate.google.com/transla...i-hercules-traslado-odissey-201202232027.html

 

[Panfilo]

The opera ain't over 'till the fat lady sings...and she hasn't sung yet Alexandre, not just yet. "Do prato à boca perde-se a sopa."

 

[Trez]

Just think in a couple of weeks...we will probably see them here and have the chance to pick up a few up at a good buy.
http://anuncios.ebay.es/

Trez

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

The opera ain't over 'till the fat lady sings...and she hasn't sung yet Alexandre, not just yet. "Do prato à boca perde-se a sopa."

you got to be kidding Panfilo The are flying out as we speak
You owe me a bottle of Champagne amigo.
Ossy

 

[Alexandre]

Just think in a couple of weeks...we will probably see them here and have the chance to pick up a few up at a good buy.
http://anuncios.ebay.es/

Trez

We won't. Spain is a party to the UNESCO Convention, which states:

"Article 18 – Seizure and disposition of underwater cultural heritage

1. Each State Party shall take measures providing for the seizure of underwater cultural heritage in its territory that has been recovered in a manner not in conformity with this Convention.

2. Each State Party shall record, protect and take all reasonable measures to stabilize underwater cultural heritage seized under this Convention.

3. Each State Party shall notify the Director-General and any other State with a verifiable link, especially a cultural, historical or archaeological link, to the underwater cultural heritage concerned of any seizure of underwater cultural heritage that it has made under this Convention.

4. A State Party which has seized underwater cultural heritage shall ensure that its disposition be for the public benefit, taking into account the need for conservation and research; the need for reassembly of a dispersed collection; the need for public access, exhibition and education; and the interests of any State with a verifiable link, especially a cultural, historical or archaeological link, in respect of the underwater cultural heritage concerned."

Also, this is a ground breaking action - the Spanish will want to make this a spotless example of how States can fight treasure hunting. So, rest assured that the money needed to secure, preserve and present this collection of plundered artefacts to the public will be there and will come from the same pocket that had the money for Goold's litigation fees.

 

[Trez]

Just think in a couple of weeks...we will probably see them here and have the chance to pick up a few up at a good buy.
http://anuncios.ebay.es/

Trez

We won't. Spain is a party to the UNESCO Convention, which states:

"Article 18 – Seizure and disposition of underwater cultural heritage

1. Each State Party shall take measures providing for the seizure of underwater cultural heritage in its territory that has been recovered in a manner not in conformity with this Convention.

2. Each State Party shall record, protect and take all reasonable measures to stabilize underwater cultural heritage seized under this Convention.

3. Each State Party shall notify the Director-General and any other State with a verifiable link, especially a cultural, historical or archaeological link, to the underwater cultural heritage concerned of any seizure of underwater cultural heritage that it has made under this Convention.

4. A State Party which has seized underwater cultural heritage shall ensure that its disposition be for the public benefit, taking into account the need for conservation and research; the need for reassembly of a dispersed collection; the need for public access, exhibition and education; and the interests of any State with a verifiable link, especially a cultural, historical or archaeological link, in respect of the underwater cultural heritage concerned."

Also, this is a ground breaking action - the Spanish will want to make this a spotless example of how States can fight treasure hunting. So, rest assured that the money needed to secure, preserve and present this collection of plundered artefacts to the public will be there and will come from the same pocket that had the money for Goold's litigation fees.

That sounds all good and well Alexandre...but give it time
Mark my word, we will see them and exactly on that site...and hypocrisy will spell the end to Spain's claiming all shipwrecks with treasure found on...the United States will in time turn a blind eye to Spain when they come knocking again. Give it time...

Trez

 

[Alexandre]

That sounds all good and well Alexandre...but give it time
Mark my word, we will see them and exactly on that site...and hypocrisy will spell the end to Spain's claiming all shipwrecks with treasure found on...the United States will in time turn a blind eye to Spain when they come knocking again. Give it time...

Trez

I have time. A lot of time.

After all, I have spent five years just to see this:

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

Just think in a couple of weeks...we will probably see them here and have the chance to pick up a few up at a good buy.
http://anuncios.ebay.es/

Trez

We won't. Spain is a party to the UNESCO Convention, which states:

"Article 18 – Seizure and disposition of underwater cultural heritage

1. Each State Party shall take measures providing for the seizure of underwater cultural heritage in its territory that has been recovered in a manner not in conformity with this Convention.

2. Each State Party shall record, protect and take all reasonable measures to stabilize underwater cultural heritage seized under this Convention.

3. Each State Party shall notify the Director-General and any other State with a verifiable link, especially a cultural, historical or archaeological link, to the underwater cultural heritage concerned of any seizure of underwater cultural heritage that it has made under this Convention.

4. A State Party which has seized underwater cultural heritage shall ensure that its disposition be for the public benefit, taking into account the need for conservation and research; the need for reassembly of a dispersed collection; the need for public access, exhibition and education; and the interests of any State with a verifiable link, especially a cultural, historical or archaeological link, in respect of the underwater cultural heritage concerned."

Also, this is a ground breaking action - the Spanish will want to make this a spotless example of how States can fight treasure hunting. So, rest assured that the money needed to secure, preserve and present this collection of plundered artefacts to the public will be there and will come from the same pocket that had the money for Goold's litigation fees.

That sounds all good and well Alexandre...but give it time
Mark my word, we will see them and exactly on that site...and hypocrisy will spell the end to Spain's claiming all shipwrecks with treasure found on...the United States will in time turn a blind eye to Spain when they come knocking again. Give it time...

Trez

Trez for the first time in four years I can say you are wrong, I will give you my 1652 Cob, you know which one, if that happens.
Ossy

 

[aquanut]

I can't believe you are gloating like little children. I actually thought higher of you. I now know that my gut feeling was altogether correct.
Aquanut

 

[Alexandre]

I can't believe you are gloating like little children. I actually thought higher of you. I now know that my gut feeling was altogether correct.
Aquanut

Oh, c'mon Aquanut. If tables were reversed, do you think the forum would be dead silent?

Anyhow, it will all blow out tomorrow. As a matter of fact, I am gloating today, but for another motive: I have just been offered a very well paid job in the Indian Ocean!

 

[bluehunter1973]

My grandparents are from spain but my thoughts on the treasure as being part of spain's heritage No. It didnt come from spain we all know where the got the gold and silver. The ship and the crew I firmly agree about it being a sacred site. But does spain plan on returning the aztec's or mayan heritage. Just my opinion so lets be fair on both sides.

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

I can't believe you are gloating like little children. I actually thought higher of you. I now know that my gut feeling was altogether correct.
Aquanut

aquanut you would be surprised, I am very restrained
Ossy

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

My grandparents are from spain but my thoughts on the treasure as being part of spain's heritage No. It didnt come from spain we all know where the got the gold and silver. The ship and the crew I firmly agree about it being a sacred site. But does spain plan on returning the aztec's or mayan heritage. Just my opinion so lets be fair on both sides.

bluehunter, what was Odyssey going to do with the coins and artifacts
Ossy

 

[Alexandre]

But does spain plan on returning the aztec's or mayan heritage.

Actually, if its Peru we are talking about, then it would be the Incas and/or the Quechuas..

 

[bluehunter1973]

Sell them or whatever else. Not arguing about what they were going to do with hell we all know that. Does that mean if they come from Peru the people are less than the aztec's. My god created all men equal. But does that also mean Peru gets their cultural heritage back. Congradulations on the job offer

 

[FISHEYE]

I wonder if Odyssey had time to gold plate all those lead coins before they gave them back.

 

[Au_Dreamers]

"1. Each State Party shall take measures providing for the seizure of underwater cultural heritage in its territory that has been recovered in a manner not in conformity with this Convention."

and won't it be ironic when Spain states that they don't have to follow the convention because the underwater cultural heritage didn't come from within its territory.

 

[ivan salis]

SPAIN NEEDS MONEY --SPAIN HAS COINS MADE OF GOLD AND SILVER * only a small amount of which needs to be kept for historical "display" puposes for measums -- do you not think that spain will sell off the "excess" inventory much the way many measums sell of "excess" inventory that they do not have storage space and money for the upkeep for -- they can say the "funds" raised will be used for the publics benefiet ( uh keeping the country from going bankrupt would in the eyes of the spanish govt be "in the public's benefeit" wouldn't it?) --

once again a govt wins over the "peoples rights" -- 76 % the money onboard the vessel according to the historical records was the "private" property of the people shipping it on the vessel at that time ( only 24 % was "the crowns money") , I for one do not understand how Spain was allowed to just "claim" ownership of these peoples (and their heirs) property . --do not "the people of spain have rights to their own property" ? --have we reverted to the dark ages --were the spanish king owns all (to do as he wishes with) -- does the king / country own the people and all their goods and lands within "their" kingdom? god forbid it has come to this. --the common man is once again "nothing' with no rights of ownership of hos own goods ?