Todays find

[Airborne80]

I took charlie out this morning and found a couple of cool items. I believe that this one is a very small bird point. I find many identical points in the same area They are the same shape, color and the exact same size. It is along the shoreline of a summer fishing site for the Indians of this area.

 

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[mistergee]

what were they hunting? hummingbirds?

 

[Airborne80]

what were they hunting? hummingbirds?

hahahaha! I as thinking that were just very very small Indians.

 

[Hill Billy]

Must have been hafted to a skewer....Nice find 8)

 

[mistergee]

airborne you must have felt like gulliver seeing that next to your shoe on the beach

 

[Ohio_Doug]

Does it have worked edges? Can't make out any flaking details from the pics

 

[mistergee]

how the hell did you see that? you must have eagle eyes.....

 

[Airborne80]

Does it have worked edges? Can't make out any flaking details from the pics

No flaking whatsoever. I am glad you brought that up because while i realize that many folks truly believe that the absence of flaking or other common crafting (knapping) marks translates to an item being a geofact. I honestly (and I stress this in light of what some felt was me disputing them with a negative attitude) honestly honestly understand where that comes from and am not offended or disappointed at all. In fact, the more that I study the archeology of my area, the more interesting this dilemma becomes. I am reading college courses and other material that deals specifically with the very first humans to arrive and live in my area and up to the Historic age of the indigenous people. I have learned that the people who lived, fished and hunted in my neighborhood covered a stretch of time that spanned thousands (maybe as much as 15 to 20) of years, and the artifacts and specifically, projectile points, have not been identified and classified as of yet.

So, items like this one while clearly manmade (I will explain in a second) were not crafted in the way that most of the common and identifiable points were. That mostly has to do with the material that is native to the area. In this case, I am convinced that the stone was not flaked at all but rather ground and shaped against another stone until the desired shape and size was achieved.

The reader must understand the context of the find itself. these items (and I find many of them) are uncovered by the tidal motion of the water at the river's edge. When they emerge, much as the photo depicts, they are never surrounded by other stones of like material, or other material for that matter. They are just as you see this one. A lone perfectly formed triangle made of the exact material that the others are and they are on the banks of the most active fishing site of the particular Indians of my area. In otherwords.... if these were found on a beach that was sprinkled with other rocks and was in a questionable Indian site..... i would (like many) be inclined to label it as a geofact.

Someday soon, I will scan all of the similar points into one photo and it will be clearer to those with an open mind, that the odds of nature placing so many identical items in an area that happens to be a known site.... beyond comprehension. bear in mind, that in other areas that are close to this site, one does not find these items. I will post a point that was made of a clam shell in a moment. I found it yesterday at the same site. I have a number of them and to many, they will not be points at all.... because of the lack of visible flaking,

Sorry to ramble.... I just love the topic and thank you for posting Stay safe and good hunting

 

[Airborne80]

airborne you must have felt like gulliver seeing that next to your shoe on the beach

Hahahaha! I can't wait to find the cute little bows that went with these things

 

[Airborne80]

how the hell did you see that? you must have eagle eyes.....

It really is quite easy at that site. The beach is not littered with any other stones and/or rocks. When the tide uncovers someting, it really stands out in contrast to the empty sand that surrounds it.

 

[mistergee]

airbone ....where is this area ? ? (state)

 

[Airborne80]

airbone ....where is this area ? ? (state)

Northern Virginia.

 

[mistergee]

ok not too far from pa. would love to find a few of them. just blows my mind how small they are......

 

[Airborne80]

ok not too far from pa. would love to find a few of them. just blows my mind how small they are......

yea.... me to Keep in mind that many would argue that they are nothing more than rocks, so....... you have been warned I would suggest that if you are near any water that was used for fishing or even better, a waterside campsite........ take a look there. I have it easy, as I am in a tidal area and the motion of the water constantly digs up items that are along the shoreline. Good luck and please share your finds here. i will look forward to seeing them.

 

[tchaire]

Hi Airborne--

I follow what you're saying, but ...You make comments as far as no other rocks being in the area...
Please explain what the arrows, circles are pointing out.

Thanks,

T.

 

[Airborne80]

Hi Airborne--

I follow what you're saying, but ...You make comments as far as no other rocks being in the area...
Please explain what the arrows, circles are pointing out.

Thanks,

T.

Hahahah! you caught me. I rarely speak in the 100% literal sense. Allow me to clarify......... while few areas outside of ones freshly vacuumed living room are 100% rock, gravel etc. free.... some are less filled than others. In this case.... the beach is not covered with so many pebbles, rocks, shells and other misc items, that one could easily and/or readily find lots and lots of arrowhead shaped rocks at any time. this beach (while it has items on it) is such that things stand out very clearly. Even the rocks and shells do, when they make themselves known. Sorry about the misinformation... it was purely accidental

P.S. I got curious and took another look. You missed a few But really..... of all of the other items in the photo... how many look even slightly similar to the one that I recovered? Know what I mean. Thanks for the post and i hope I cleared it up some.

 

[Airborne80]

Hi Airborne--

I follow what you're saying, but ...You make comments as far as no other rocks being in the area...
Please explain what the arrows, circles are pointing out.

Thanks,

T.

Hahahah! you caught me. I rarely speak in the 100% literal sense. Allow me to clarify......... while few areas outside of ones freshly vacuumed living room are 100% rock, gravel etc. free.... some are less filled than others. In this case.... the beach is not covered with so many pebbles, rocks, shells and other misc items, that one could easily and/or readily find lots and lots of arrowhead shaped rocks at any time. this beach (while it has items on it) is such that things stand out very clearly. Even the rocks and shells do, when they make themselves known. Sorry about the misinformation... it was purely accidental

P.S. I got curious and took another look. You missed a few But really..... of all of the other items in the photo... how many look even slightly similar to the one that I recovered? Know what I mean. Thanks for the post and i hope I cleared it up some.

Hey...... here is a photo taken about ten feet away from the above photo. See.... not a lot on the sand..... except for that creepy snake that actually washed up between Charlie's legs just before i took its photo I love this place..... always something cool washing up.

 

[Cannonman17]

That's not an artifact, it's a natural stone in the shape of an arrowhead. In general points that size (true arrowheads) had to be made fairly thin and sharp, although they could be made with super minimal effort as when they would simply retouch a flake but none the less they will show signs of having been worked. You have found a few decent artifacts since you've been here, ones that all of us agree were obviously artifacts, take this beach pebble and compare it to those, there's a HUGE difference.

 

[tchaire]

Airborne, I think you missed one...

T.

 

[pickaway]

Yep I'd say ya missed one.