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[aarthrj3811]

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Oroblanco....I don't know if what they do is Psychic or not. It may be that they have trained their minds to do this. No one knows what our Brain is capable of doing....Art

 

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[Oroblanco]

Hi Art,

I don't know much about psychics really - though I have had some dreams which turned out to be prophetic, I sure can't come up with the winning lottery numbers!

Oroblanco

 

[Mike(Mont)]

Remote viewing is a lot closer to map dowsing than to physical dowsing, but it is very similar. It all has to do with using your consciousness. The idea that a person can use thought energy to excite an object through resonance makes a debunker roll in their grave. (Wishfull thiking on my part). The idea that a person can to an extent control the forces of nature is beyond any debunker's comprehension capacity. For some darned reason the debunkers cannot accept that thought energy is a real force. They know it but refuse to admit it.

 

[OldBillinUT]

I have some some training in Physics and a lot of curiosity about events that challenge conventional models. Any scientist will of course be aware of the transitory nature of our knowledge level. This has been a constant all the way, new findings providing conclusions that were previously considered impossible at least highly nebulous.

Unless something else has been presented it was becoming accepted that all that we can be aware of are different forms of energy including matter. When you look at it that way some things may be seen in a different light. There are some excellent books about quantum physics that are written on such a level an ordinary person can get through them. After I reading that stuff more events that seemed kind of "out there" to me seem to make some sense maybe. I feel less inclined to think that which I don't understand just can't exist or is a fabrication of some sort. I have to say honestly that it has kind of humbled me to see further into the complexity of what is happening around us. Now I just want to keep asking the questions and learning every day.
I once owned a set of texts that contained the best science and knowledge of the day, near the turn of the 19th century. Most would now find some of those statements of "fact" made then to seem almost rediculous given what we know today. As we can define laws we can then see how it all fits together. I am sure a lot of things will make more sense in the future. Remember there were writers that wrote the fiction that we are living today.

OB

 

[Oroblanco]

Ditto Bill!

Thanks Max for the reply. Now NOT to put YOU into the "skeptics" seat here, but we know that brain waves (thoughts) are very real electrical impulses which can be detected, measured and "graphed" on medical devices such as the electro-encephalograph (EEG for short) - so the debunker has a real problem in "proving" that we don't have brain waves! As to proving that human brain wave activity can affect the physical environment - that would be difficult, probably impossible to prove to a debunker. I am reminded of Yuri Geller for one example of a person who claimed to be able to do things by mind control alone.

I remember watching "The Amazing Kreskin" and his mental tricks, sometimes he could be pretty amazing indeed - and not to sound like the skeptic myself but there are times when I have suspected that some of these "professional" psychics, you know the type that has television shows where they claim to be talking with the dead etc - may simply be picking up on the thoughts of the people present - how could we tell the difference? For example, the "psychic" comes up with the name of a deceased loved one, which the person (not-psychic) instantly recognizes, because it is a part of their memories and thoughts.

A side "discovery" of a scientific investigation of a "paranormal" phenomenon known as the "UFO abduction" victims done by a major university shows what can result when serious science actually investigates (NOT simply try to "debunk") unknown phenomena - they had an experiment in which the test subject was fitted with a helmet that had a number of small electrodes (electromagnets actually) that were connected to a computer; the computer then simulated the brain pattern of another human being, activating the electromagnets sequentially to mimick the pattern. While the experiment was intended to cause a reaction in the subject person identical to those reported by UFO abductees, the odd thing was that they reported "sensing" that another person was present even though they were blindfolded in a darkened room, with NO sound to indicate the presence of another person! This proved that a human being actually CAN "detect" (sense, really) the presence of another human being, by their brain activity alone! Strange, no? It sure reminded ME of those incidents when we get that feeling that we are "being watched" by someone, look around and find that indeed, someone IS watching us!

This is a part of the reason why I continue to hold out hope that a serious scientific study could be done on dowsing, without the test operators being pre-biased for it to "fail" and open to actually investigate the ancient ART of dowsing. It seems when ever we get someone who claims to be a serious scientist willing to investigate it, test it, etc in reality we have yet another debunker, out on some kind of personal crusade to "prove" that it "doesn't work".

Oroblanco

 

[OldBillinUT]

Oro,

Napeoleon Hill wrote something like " every thing we have ever made began as a thought. To effect the enviroment : if brain waves = thoughts then imagine a "horseless carriage" - design then build one - sell them - drive them = roadways+pollution.....

 

[Oroblanco]

Hi Bill,
How true! I never looked at it that way, but when you think about it, heck we (humanity) no sooner dreams something up, then someone goes ahead to build it and do it. They were talking about a trip to the Moon in the 19th century, and we did it in the 20th; just one example - those "dreamers" are really a great source of new ideas that lead to new advances, along with some nasty side-effects like pollution etc.

Oroblanco

 

[OldBillinUT]

Oro,

So true there are a lot of aspects to it. If it were not the advancement of medical science I would be taking a dirt nap right now. Did you know that an infected tooth can cause encephelytis ? By the time I could get to a dentist he told me I was a couple of days from having it, not a good thing. Kinda got off the treasure hunting track and thoughts ect. Look how the thoughts are coming out in this thing that was just a thought to Marc at one time.

 

[Oroblanco]

Dang Bill, I did NOT know that you could get a life-threatening disease from a TOOTH! Now I am going to be worried about those few I still have! Maybe there are more good reasons for dentures after all!

Good luck and good hunting to you buddy, hope you find the treasures that you seek.

Oroblanco

 

[ClonedSIM]

Yep, my mother-in-law just got out of a 2-week hospital stay after having a tooth pulled that became infected. She swelled up from her forehead to her shoulder on the left side of her head. They said she just caught that infection in time, too.

 

[Oroblanco]

af1733 - glad to hear that they caught it in time. I had all the upper teeth pulled (now use denture for the upper) after numerous "patches", crowns, caps etc that would snap off while eating and sure don't miss them. One thing I did notice was that I used to get lots of headaches, and "poof" right after going to an upper denture, practically NO headaches, just on rare occasions like you might expect normally. I guess your teeth can really cause a lot of problems, some very serious indeed!

Sorry for drifting off-topic.

Oroblanco

 

[ClonedSIM]

af1733 - glad to hear that they caught it in time. I had all the upper teeth pulled (now use denture for the upper) after numerous "patches", crowns, caps etc that would snap off while eating and sure don't miss them. One thing I did notice was that I used to get lots of headaches, and "poof" right after going to an upper denture, practically NO headaches, just on rare occasions like you might expect normally. I guess your teeth can really cause a lot of problems, some very serious indeed!

Sorry for drifting off-topic.

Oroblanco

Maybe I should think about something like that. I find myself with headaches after waking up in the mornings sometimes. Lots of pain from the jaw area.

 

[dowser 501]

Affecting your judgement? Max

 

[Oroblanco]

af1733 wrote:

I find myself with headaches after waking up in the mornings sometimes.

Heck buddy that could be from reading Oroblanco's confusing posts in dowsing! Seriously, if the headaches have been increasing, it just might be related to a tooth problem - it was for me and I didn't realize the connection because no tooth hurt.

Oroblanco

 

[ClonedSIM]

Affecting your judgement? Max

Not that I can tell. Usually just pop an aspirin and lie on the couch for a few minutes after I wake up and it goes away. I think I grind my teeth at night.

 

[ClonedSIM]

af1733 wrote:

I find myself with headaches after waking up in the mornings sometimes.

Heck buddy that could be from reading Oroblanco's confusing posts in dowsing! Seriously, if the headaches have been increasing, it just might be related to a tooth problem - it was for me and I didn't realize the connection because no tooth hurt.

Oroblanco

Naw, your posts usually make perfect sense, Oro! Granted, there might have been one or two that brought on a headache, but I just pop into a different thread and it goes away!

 

[Peg Leg]

To everyone who said that they replied to my question about a team of dowsers.
I received a total of 3 replies.
To the person that said that they replied and all I wanted to do was to sell them something THIS IS A LIE.
Until YESTERDAY I NEVER offered to sell anyone anything that was connected to leaning how to dowse. I HAVE offered to sell some of the artifacts that I have recovered through dowsing which included GOLD TRINKETS, GOLD COINS, SILVER COINS, SILVER BARS and ANCIENT INDIAN POTTERY SHARDS.
I have only responded to 1 person that replied to my questions about forming a TEAM to locate SHIPWRECKS.
To me dowsing is like learning to swim YOU NEVER FORGET HOW ITS DONE. To some it may be like riding a bicycle-you know how but it may take a little time to get your balance back but you NEVER forget how its done.
With all the CRAP that is being thrown around here and all the people saying they can DOWSE. You do not have to prove a thing to THOSE WHO DOUBT what you can do BUT you can NEVER lie to yourself.
I am not going to argue the point one way or another or will I be involved in any test. My proff is in the gold and silver that I HAVE RECOVERED AND IF YOU WILL LOOK ON THIS TREASUE NET FORUM YOU WILL SEE A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN POSTED OF WHAT I HAVE RECOVERED.
Have a great weekend.
Peg Leg

 

[BF750]

Hey SWR.....Heres a spot where I say there is $200,000 in Gold Coins.....Bring your equipment here and prove I am wrong...By equipment I mean something that will work at a depth of more than 9 inchs...Art

Hello all just reading through the old threads.

I don't think it's fair to offer a challenge that requires digging on the side of the highway. Utah State Police will probably frown on that. Posting a challenge like that is absurd, knowing full well that

(1) The State of Utah will never give you permission to dig there.

(2) Nobody in there right mind would just start digging there, knowing what the consequences are.

(3) You knowing both of the above are true when you posted that, so your claim cannot be verified.

I believe if your going to offer a challenge, make it realistic. Not trying to pick a fight just my observation, which I'm surprised no one else picked up on.

BF750

 

[Miner49er]

Very interesting posts by everyone without all the nasty banter usually associated with this subject. Below is something that i have posted before, and it seems to fit here.
A question put to 1973 Nobel Peace Prize winner for physics, Professor Brian Josephson of Cambridge.” Is it a realistic question that man might be a thought-form in a universe that was made of thought?” His answer was, “It has been suggested by some people that the universe is made of thought. The scientist says everything is made up out of fields. It’s somewhat parallel that a field might be a thought and then you could arrive at the conclusion that everything is made of thought. Certainly things are not made up out of particles, so I think to show it was made up of thought, you’d need to show that something like a thought process was going on, and we really don’t have that picture yet. But we do have some sense that observation might help to construct reality, and that comes close to the idea that thought is involved in the nature of reality.”
A thought is energy that causes neurons in the brain to fire in certain patterns. That firing produces tiny currents along definite paths in the brain cortex that can be picked up with sensitive instruments through electrodes on the surface of the skull. This thought that starts out very tiny will or can develop into a full blown thought producing at least a 70 millivolt potential somewhere in the cortex. It fires the first neuron, which in turn causes others to fire in a certain sequence. In this universe, no energy is lost. If we can pick up the current produced by the thought outside of the head, it means that the energy of that thought was sent in the form of electromagnetic waves, and at the velocity of light into the environment. Since energy can’t be destroyed, that thought remains in the universe, and might or might not impinge on someone for whom it was created.
In a similar vein.
Dowsing is a way of being conscious of sensory inputs which are not directly connected to the instinctive brain functions. For example man's sensitivity to magnetism. The organ we assume to be responsible for this sensitivity is the pineal gland . We know that the pineal is contained within the skull, but the pineal lies outside the brain, and has no direct contact with the brain nor does it have direct nerve connections. So the pineal must communicate with the lower brain through subconscious urges, and not rational thought. In the case of dowsing, clearly the subconscious brain (not mind) is, in some way, able to alter muscle tension in the shoulders and arms, by way of the ideomotor effect, causing the crossing of angle rods, and the swinging or rotation of the pendulum.
Yet the same channels must also be used by other subconscious stimuli for them to be felt. Anyone who has used dowsing tools may find that the same techniques work well for psychic explorations, such as dating artifacts and map dowsing. But, although the manner of bringing the raw impulse through to conscious perception may be the same, this does not mean that the origins are the same. Dowsing may be linked to the magnetic sensitivity of the pineal, but psychic sensations may emanate from quite different organs.
Becker and Marino, who state that not all information gathered by the usual senses is 'processed at the conscious level, and there is no physiological principle that would preclude the subliminal detection of EMFs [electromagnetic fields] by the nervous system.'
No one knows how dowsing works, they only know it does. There are two popular theories to explain dowsing: the first suggests that dowsing works as a result of natural phenomena. Buried metal, minerals and underground water causes either a magnetic field or a disturbance in the earth’s own magnetic field. It is thought that the dowsing rod is a tool for showing the reaction of the magnetic field in the ground to the natural magnetic field of the body.
I have also stated in earlier posts my beliefs concerning dowsing for treasure. I will repeat here.
If a target's location is known by anyone alive today, whether they are present or not, the target can and will be located. In all my research, however; I have never heard of anyone who has found an unknown, large treasure by dowsing.
I have located water and unknown aqueduct systems in many countries, even shipwrecks, but no large unknown treasure. Dowsing works, but is limited. I believe that we should be investigating why certain things or conditions keep dowsing from being successful when it comes to treasure.