Trench Work & The Tides - What I Learned Living On The Coast

thanx for the video . Interesting to watch. Not sure if there's a difference between your FL beaches and our CA beaches, but we do not take a dim view of the higher tide days of the month . In fact, we HOPE our storms/swells/winds coincide on THOSE days of the month. Not on the days of little variance between high and low.

Reason is: The very high tides, when combined with the right wind and swells, drive the waves back into sand that is normally high and dry. Versus the mid-band-mid-tide area , which is perpetually "acclimated" to in-&-out waves, all the time.

And notice the gradient of the beach starts to "climb up" at the dunes. Versus the mid-tide intertidal zone, which is flatter. So I would much prefer the waves to be hitting way back at the dunes, than in the inter-tidal acclimated zone. Because if it's hitting way back, then there's no where else for the energy to go (it's hit a "wall" so-to-speak), so it will erode "down" then, we hope. I say "hope", because there's also the phenomenon where the water does indeed go over the top into the dry dunes, creating a messy of lagoons. But if it chooses to "dig down" (creating a "cut"), then we find that cuts further back into the dunes are superior to "cuts" out at the mid-tide zone.

And I notice at one point in your video that you say that the negative tide days (with the most variance of tide differences) will result in "soft sand". Well, not necessarily. That all depends on if there's erosive surf/swells or not. I've hunted many of days of extreme tide variances, where the sand is firm and hard. So it just depends.

And we find gold rings (and sinkers, etc...) that are not necessarily in that "curl" zone you speak of. In fact, it would be suicide on our beaches to be in those troughs during storm action. So perhaps your beaches are simply different than ours. And there might also be a distinction of finding erosion during "no swells/storms" versus finding erosion during "swells/storms". Because yes, there's those who've figured out that there can be erosion during the calm times too, perhaps as you describe.

As for your accounting of a big storm and big tide producing nothing but light stuff: Our experience here is that we would merely try other beaches. Because another beach, a mere mile away, can be eroded in the exact same storm.

Your video was interesting to watch. Gives different types strategies that are food for thought. Thanx!
 

Some good info in a fairly simplistic way. I'm glad to see the importance of wind mentioned, as there are many factors in the creation of great beach hunting conditions. The combination of tide; wind; current; wave height, direction, and interval; bottom composition; etc, all play a part. Usually, you just have to get your toes into the sand to see what it's like. I've hunted beaches where there was dramatic changes (ie. 5-6' cuts and/or troughs) and there were no good targets at all. I've also been on a beach with little visual changes, but, wow, good targets everywhere. Knowing the history of your beach is very important so you can tell when there ARE changes, even subtle ones. I agree that you want to find hard sand instead of the fluff. I'd rather hunt the dry sand than that soupy wet stuff. We recently had a serious of big storms. The first two did nothing but shuffle the existing sand around a bit. The second of these storms was a whopper too. Lots of wind, rain, high surf, but, little change at the beach, The next storm was milder, but, made huge changes. Big cuts, washouts, and slope erosion.....but only in certain areas. Some of the areas with dramatic changes weren't as good as some of the areas in between with little visual change. You just had to get out and run a coil over it. Out in the water was still pretty bad, as the sand that was on the beach high and dry during the summer, was now out in the surf where it's buried everything. The slopes were where the action was. As I tell newbies hunting for coins at the beach....don't hunt where you think or want the targets to be, hunt where they are. Run a zigzag pattern from seawall to surf until you can an idea as to where the good stuff is. It might take an hour to develop a pattern of where you should hunt. When you do, go parallel to the surf and try to follow the "trough of treasure".
 

For sure, there are many variables that have to be taken into account, and all beaches are different, i.e., some are flat, some are steeper, some are composed of fine sand while others might even be pea gravel, etc, etc, etc. But each month, on nearly all beaches, the force of the water will be confined to a much smaller band of beach and for a longer period. When this water becomes aggressive due to wind, a shift in current direction, etc., then this section of beach will likely experience more change more rapidly VS that broader band of beach where the fluctuating water volume (tide change) is spread out over a much wider band of beach, such as those negative tide periods. One thing that will often stand out each month to observers are those few days of "narrowing" volumes following those negative tide periods, a period when sand movement is often very obvious even to the casual observer. Why? Because the negative tide period has left more fine sand on the beach to be moved around. This is generally when you'll start seeing those narrow tidal pools developing in the belly of the beach, many of these eventually forming little runnels for the escaping water. Sometimes you'll start seeing these same thing starting to develop in those days leading up to those negative tide periods. This took place nearly always, like clockwork, on the stretch of coastal beach I use to hunt every day.
 

I don't see anything?:dontknow:

Date
(Jan) [TABLE="class: wxtable"]
[TR="class: dp"]
[TH="class: pad"][/TH]
[TH="colspan: 4"]High Tide[/TH]
[TH="colspan: 4"]Low Tide[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="class: lp"]
[TH="class: pad"]Time (ET)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Height (ft)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Time (ET)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Height (ft)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Time (ET)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Height (ft)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Time (ET)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Height (ft)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD="class: date"]1[/TD]
[TD]10:17 am[/TD]
[TD]3.6[/TD]
[TD]10:36 pm[/TD]
[TD]2.8[/TD]
[TD]3:41 am[/TD]
[TD]0.1[/TD]
[TD]4:32 pm[/TD]
[TD]0.2 (A difference of 2.6)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD="class: date"]2[/TD]
[TD]10:57 am[/TD]
[TD]3.5[/TD]
[TD]11:20 pm[/TD]
[TD]2.9[/TD]
[TD]4:26 am[/TD]
[TD]0.2[/TD]
[TD]5:17 pm[/TD]
[TD]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD="class: date"]3[/TD]
[TD]11:40 am[/TD]
[TD]3.4[/TD]
[TD]---[/TD]
[TD]---[/TD]
[TD]5:17 am[/TD]
[TD]0.3[/TD]
[TD]6:05 pm[/TD]
[TD]0.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD="class: date"]4[/TD]
[TD]12:09 am[/TD]
[TD]2.9[/TD]
[TD]12:28 pm[/TD]
[TD]3.3[/TD]
[TD]6:16 am[/TD]
[TD]0.3[/TD]
[TD]6:55 pm[/TD]
[TD]0.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD="class: date"]5[/TD]
[TD]1:04 am[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]1:20 pm[/TD]
[TD]3.1[/TD]
[TD]7:16 am[/TD]
[TD]0.4[/TD]
[TD]7:45 pm[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD="class: date"]6[/TD]
[TD]2:04 am[/TD]
[TD]3.2[/TD]
[TD]2:20 pm[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]8:18 am[/TD]
[TD]0.4[/TD]
[TD]8:38 pm[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD="class: date"]7[/TD]
[TD]3:09 am[/TD]
[TD]3.3[/TD]
[TD]3:27 pm[/TD]
[TD]2.9[/TD]
[TD]9:23 am[/TD]
[TD]0.3[/TD]
[TD]9:35 pm[/TD]
[TD]-0.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD="class: date"]8[/TD]
[TD]4:14 am[/TD]
[TD]3.5[/TD]
[TD]4:32 pm[/TD]
[TD]2.9[/TD]
[TD]10:29 am[/TD]
[TD]0.3[/TD]
[TD]10:33 pm[/TD]
[TD]-0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD="class: date"]9[/TD]
[TD]5:14 am[/TD]
[TD]3.8[/TD]
[TD]5:32 pm[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]11:31 am[/TD]
[TD]0.1[/TD]
[TD]11:30 pm[/TD]
[TD]-0.4 (a difference of 3.4)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

In line one the water volume (force) will be more concentrated to a narrower band of beach then in line 9.
 

Deep fluffy fine sand nearly always wins out. Through many endless days toiling with new ideas, machines, and concepts in an attempt to beat it that is what I finally realized and it didn't matter how many people were packed on a stretch of beach. If the sand was deep and fine and fluffy then there was nothing to support those heavier and denser targets and keep them from sinking out of range too quickly. In the end, the hours hunted VS the good targets recovered just wasn't worth the effort and time. So I finally settled on focusing on two things, those areas of the beach where sand was being removed and those areas of the beach with the shallowest shell pack and firmest bottoms. Hunting for recent drops in that deep soft fluffy sand is a very low percentage pursuit. Sometimes just a few inches of sand being removed can make a huge difference.
 

fwiw, the embed vid didn't work for me either.

Good info (got it from your YT channel). Understanding what is going on with the sediment load (ie not just how it moves but what causes it to move and when) can really help your odds. Erosion is your friend.

Really enjoying your vids; especially the ones with a science bent.
 

Date
(Jan) [TABLE="class: wxtable"]
[TR="class: dp"]
[TH="class: pad"][/TH]
[TH="colspan: 4"]High Tide[/TH]
[TH="colspan: 4"]Low Tide[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="class: lp"]
[TH="class: pad"]Time (ET)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Height (ft)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Time (ET)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Height (ft)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Time (ET)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Height (ft)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Time (ET)[/TH]
[TH="class: pad"]Height (ft)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD="class: date"]1[/TD]
[TD]10:17 am[/TD]
[TD]3.6[/TD]
[TD]10:36 pm[/TD]
[TD]2.8[/TD]
[TD]3:41 am[/TD]
[TD]0.1[/TD]
[TD]4:32 pm[/TD]
[TD]0.2 (A difference of 2.6)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD="class: date"]2[/TD]
[TD]10:57 am[/TD]
[TD]3.5[/TD]
[TD]11:20 pm[/TD]
[TD]2.9[/TD]
[TD]4:26 am[/TD]
[TD]0.2[/TD]
[TD]5:17 pm[/TD]
[TD]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD="class: date"]3[/TD]
[TD]11:40 am[/TD]
[TD]3.4[/TD]
[TD]---[/TD]
[TD]---[/TD]
[TD]5:17 am[/TD]
[TD]0.3[/TD]
[TD]6:05 pm[/TD]
[TD]0.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD="class: date"]4[/TD]
[TD]12:09 am[/TD]
[TD]2.9[/TD]
[TD]12:28 pm[/TD]
[TD]3.3[/TD]
[TD]6:16 am[/TD]
[TD]0.3[/TD]
[TD]6:55 pm[/TD]
[TD]0.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD="class: date"]5[/TD]
[TD]1:04 am[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]1:20 pm[/TD]
[TD]3.1[/TD]
[TD]7:16 am[/TD]
[TD]0.4[/TD]
[TD]7:45 pm[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD="class: date"]6[/TD]
[TD]2:04 am[/TD]
[TD]3.2[/TD]
[TD]2:20 pm[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]8:18 am[/TD]
[TD]0.4[/TD]
[TD]8:38 pm[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD="class: date"]7[/TD]
[TD]3:09 am[/TD]
[TD]3.3[/TD]
[TD]3:27 pm[/TD]
[TD]2.9[/TD]
[TD]9:23 am[/TD]
[TD]0.3[/TD]
[TD]9:35 pm[/TD]
[TD]-0.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD="class: date"]8[/TD]
[TD]4:14 am[/TD]
[TD]3.5[/TD]
[TD]4:32 pm[/TD]
[TD]2.9[/TD]
[TD]10:29 am[/TD]
[TD]0.3[/TD]
[TD]10:33 pm[/TD]
[TD]-0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD="class: date"]9[/TD]
[TD]5:14 am[/TD]
[TD]3.8[/TD]
[TD]5:32 pm[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]11:31 am[/TD]
[TD]0.1[/TD]
[TD]11:30 pm[/TD]
[TD]-0.4 (a difference of 3.4)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

In line one the water volume (force) will be more concentrated to a narrower band of beach then in line 9.
Yes, but, in line 1, the surf is chasing you in. I much rather chase the surf out and hunt in shallower water than have it pound on me while it gets deeper.
 

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