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[Detectorfreak74]

My new se is awesome it is less jumpy than the safari in trashy areas and spot on that is all I ask for finally a pro machine and it works like one

 

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[Iron Patch]

I will never understand why someone would by a Safari over an SE, and now I guess you would agree!

 

[Detectorfreak74]

u r right Iron patch I was a victim of marketing propaganda by the way what the heck is up with the ace 250 everyone is talking about it is big here in utah

 

[Iron Patch]

u r right Iron patch I was a victim of marketing propaganda by the way what the heck is up with the ace 250 everyone is talking about it is big here in utah

The 250 is just a good bang for the buck starting detector. The question Garrett users might have is .... do the extra hundreds justify a GTI 1500 over an ace? I've used a 1500 but not the 250.

 

[njnydigger]

Hold on a second I.P. As you know, I am new to the Minelab's. Coming from White's. I've never used an Explorer before, but, have been using the Safari for 2 strong months now. IMHO, it is a MONSTER of a detector. However, I do agree with erubio that it is VERY jumpy in trashy settings. But, to answer your question I.P....

I actually purchased the Safari for the simplicity. I am more of a turn-on-and-go guy. Hate fiddling with knobs, controls, programs and all that. However, I do like being able to control the thres, discrim, etc. So, figured I'd go with the Safari. When it comes down to it, I would think that the Explorer MIGHT be a little bit better than the Safari depth wise (would hope so considering the higher price tag), but, that is considering a few other things...

User experience

ground conditions, etc.

As you know from another thread we were involved in, past a certain dollar point, all brands and models PRETTY MUCH do the the same thing. Of course, an experienced user will almost always be able to pull more from the ground than a newb using the same machine.

As I always say...

It's the USER of the machine which is the most important

Second would be a quality site - something old that hasn't been picked to shreds

And finally, a decent quality detector. I chose the Minelab Safari. For simplicity. That's why someone would buy a Safari versus an Explorer I.P.

 

[Detectorfreak74]

I bought the safari it is all I could afford at the time but I have been using it for a year and a half I need something more thats why I got the explorer se but all n all the safari is faster but the explorer has more options

 

[Woodland Detectors]

I bought the safari it is all I could afford at the time but I have been using it for a year and a half I need something more thats why I got the explorer se but all n all the safari is faster but the explorer has more options

You should see a Etrac.

The King of too many options... Ilove it though!

 

[Iron Patch]

I actually purchased the Safari for the simplicity. I am more of a turn-on-and-go guy. Hate fiddling with knobs, controls, programs and all that.

That's where your lack of understanding of an Explorer shows and what the true learning curve is for these detectors, which has nothing to do with what you mentioned. It's similar back to when I had a couple of Nautilus detectors... The first was a 2Ba which I went with because it had an automatic coil balance, and since I already had to ground balance, something I wasn't used to, I didn't want to make it too complicated. I did like that detector but sold it, but once gone I still had the thought I wanted another with a 15" coil just to see if it could get the depths I was hearing about. An excellent deal came up, but was for a 2B, which meant I had to balance the coil myself, but decided to go for it anyway. While I was waiting for a unit to arrive I spoke with a user of the same detector on a forum we were both regulars, and he explained it (coil balance), and said don't even think about it, just try when it arrives and you'll see. So the detector shows up and I put it together and play a little, then do the steps to balance the coil and felt like a freakin idiot considering how this had stopped me from buying a little better detector the first time. It was such a joke, anyone reading this right now who knows Nautilus detectors will be having a good laugh such as I did at the time.

In other words, you picked a Safari out of fear when you could have had a little better detector in the explorer. (assuming the little extra cash wasn't a deal breaker)

 

[njnydigger]

Good points I.P. Still have to disagree however. Definitely NOT out of fear. To re-iterate...just simplicity.

All of those extra "bells & whistles" on the Explorer and the E-trac (for me anyways) are just that - frivolous "bells & whistles". I could care less about graphs, charts, screen read-outs, ferrous/non-ferrous indicators, etc,. etc., etc. All I want is this...

A deep machine that beeps when it hits metal I can figure the rest out. Shoot, most good detectorists I know tend to dig either most if not all signals anyway. So, in the end, why pay for all of the "sizzle". I purchased the Minelab brand for the depth. And the Safari model for it's ease-of-use. Period.

And if anybody thinks that a detector (doesn't matter what brand) goes deeper JUST because it's more expensive, I've got a bridge for sale

Is there a BIG difference between Air Jordans and New Balance's? Absolutely not!!! They both probably cost ten bucks to make in Malaysia However, they will each serve the same purpose in the end...getting someone from point A to Z.

Again, we can argue all day about which machine gets an extra quarter inch, half inch, etc. But, the fact of the matter is, the REAL name of the game is ALWAYS...

user experience first & quality of site second. With a quality detector being last.

Take any top-line (expensive) detector to a fairly modern and hunted out park. What'll you get? Nothing!!! But, take a "lowly" bounty hunter or Ace 250 to an older, fresher site and you'll be pulling keepers all day long.

All machines beep when they find metal. Depending on price range, they will all PRETTY MUCH have the same depth capabilities. Just different options. Can anyone say faux wood grained stick shift handle?

User

Spot

Detector

Now I need a beer

 

[Iron Patch]

Good points I.P. Still have to disagree however. Definitely NOT out of fear. To re-iterate...just simplicity.

All of those extra "bells & whistles" on the Explorer and the E-trac (for me anyways) are just that - frivolous "bells & whistles". I could care less about graphs, charts, screen read-outs, ferrous/non-ferrous indicators, etc,. etc., etc. All I want is this...

Choosing for simplicity means you bought into what Minelab is selling and if you had any idea how basic an Explorer is it would be the last time you would ever say that. Now that has nothing to do with learning curve, because both units have the same learning curve and it's not about settings or programs... unless there's someone out there that can only push 1 button instead of three.

As for the bells and whistles you are missing the main point that it's the guts that make a detector what it is, and what you say suggests all detectors are equal, and what separates them is the B & W. Even if you added "features" to a Safari it would still not be an Explorer. Comments such as you've made, and if you read them again, and really think about it, make it look like detecting is as simple as the detector beeping and digging the hole, with no thinking in the middle. A detectors guts/electronics is what gives you the extra info. you learn over time to become good with the unit. That is the learning curve and the Safari is no easier to learn than an Explorer, you just saved a little money and have the unit deciding your main settings like the sens. and disc. As for programs, show me someone with a "good explorer program" and I'll show you someone that goes out of their way to find less!

 

[Ratman]

Well when I think of the Safari I see the Quattro . Same exact machine only the Safari was made a bit faster on recovery . It's still very slow ! I was a Quattro user for many years untill I got an Explorer ll and never looked back . Welcome to the dark side erubio74 ....

HH
Mike

 

[Smudge]

I just bought the Sovereign GT and can't wait to start learning how to use it properly.

I just want to chime in on the "simplicity" issue. I think turn-on-and-go creates a very false impression. I use a Silver uMax and love it, and I thought with just two knobs, the thing would be a piece of cake to use. Wrong. Every detector requires practice and a lot of it. Learning tones, sweep methods, false signalling, masking, target id... these are all things you only get by experience. My uMax is still teaching me new things every time I use it.

Sure the Sovereign has a lot of dials and switches. That only allows you to fine tune the machine to your particular needs in a particular place. Even if you only use the factory settings, there's still going to be a huge learning curve because you have to learn the particular quirks and capabilities of that detector. All those extra features only come into their own as you become more proficient.

I marvel at anyone who can own more than two or three machines and know how to use them all like a master. They often say, beware of the detectorist who only owns one machine, he probably knows how to use it well.

Sometimes we give up a machine because we just don't like it. Fair enough. I've done that too. But I have to be careful before I consider myself "trading up" to another machine. Am I really trading up to something better, or am I trading for something that I think will be easier? If its the former, then by all means do it! But if its the latter, you might well end up becoming the jack of all machines and the master of none.

Just MHO.

 

[mainer]

My new se is awesome it is less jumpy than the safari in trashy areas and spot on that is all I ask for finally a pro machine and it works like one

I couldnt agree more. I have an Explorer II, and couldnt be happier.

 

[NeilinFR]

Hold on a second I.P. As you know, I am new to the Minelab's. Coming from White's. I've never used an Explorer before, but, have been using the Safari for 2 strong months now. IMHO, it is a MONSTER of a detector. However, I do agree with erubio that it is VERY jumpy in trashy settings. But, to answer your question I.P....

I actually purchased the Safari for the simplicity. I am more of a turn-on-and-go guy. Hate fiddling with knobs, controls, programs and all that. However, I do like being able to control the thres, discrim, etc. So, figured I'd go with the Safari. When it comes down to it, I would think that the Explorer MIGHT be a little bit better than the Safari depth wise (would hope so considering the higher price tag), but, that is considering a few other things...

User experience

ground conditions, etc.

As you know from another thread we were involved in, past a certain dollar point, all brands and models PRETTY MUCH do the the same thing. Of course, an experienced user will almost always be able to pull more from the ground than a newb using the same machine.

As I always say...

It's the USER of the machine which is the most important

Second would be a quality site - something old that hasn't been picked to shreds

And finally, a decent quality detector. I chose the Minelab Safari. For simplicity. That's why someone would buy a Safari versus an Explorer I.P.

Ive only seen Safaris online, never used one. Does it have disc adjustment other than programs? How about sens adjustment or iron mask? Other than color, trying to see what seperates a Safari from an Etrac or Explorer.

Neil