Twice Lost, Twice Found
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Terry, would you happen to have a picture of what you consider your personal best from that find or do you have a picture of the one that Joel might have considered the best? If it is in the Rainbow Chasers let me know.
Thank you,
Stan
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Stan:
I am not a huge fan of Mexican cobs. I think the Lima and Potosi cobs are much more refined in their design and annotation, but, I would sure like to have more Mexican cobs at any rate. I picked 20 cobs from a pile, none of which had yet been cleaned. That was the deal for the price. Next came the cleaning and they all cleaned up nicely except one doggy piece, which, oddly enough had a full date, if nothing else very attractive to vouch for it. My favorite cob in the bunch was this one.
I simply liked the large planchet and curled corners. Chunky!
Then there was this dated dog...
But I would not part with it. Here's a shot of all the coins I bought before cleaning (except one)...
Finally, here is a pic of some of the coins which Joel found, and in particular are some choice Lima 8's and Potosi 8's. I have no idea what all the rest of the coins looked like after cleaning, or which were Joel's favored best picks.
I am not a huge fan of Mexican cobs. I think the Lima and Potosi cobs are much more refined in their design and annotation, but, I would sure like to have more Mexican cobs at any rate. I picked 20 cobs from a pile, none of which had yet been cleaned. That was the deal for the price. Next came the cleaning and they all cleaned up nicely except one doggy piece, which, oddly enough had a full date, if nothing else very attractive to vouch for it. My favorite cob in the bunch was this one.
I simply liked the large planchet and curled corners. Chunky!
Then there was this dated dog...
But I would not part with it. Here's a shot of all the coins I bought before cleaning (except one)...
Finally, here is a pic of some of the coins which Joel found, and in particular are some choice Lima 8's and Potosi 8's. I have no idea what all the rest of the coins looked like after cleaning, or which were Joel's favored best picks.
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Terry, I thank you for taking the time to post those. Mexican shield type cobs are not my favorite design either, but you gotta love some of the whacky shapes and hammer blows. I'm sure you have Craig's book on silver coins of the Florida collection, but for those who haven't it surely has the most in-depth analysis of these coins that are unique to a particular period of Mexican cob production.
Are you certain that all the pieces in the picture of Joel's coins came from the post-storm hoard? I'm not saying the pillar and wave coins are not 1715 fleet, but it is somewhat odd that they were recovered in the same pile as the common Mexican variety. To me that hints that maybe they were not carried in the same chests as those destined for the royal coffers and could have been registered private treasure.
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Stan
Are you certain that all the pieces in the picture of Joel's coins came from the post-storm hoard? I'm not saying the pillar and wave coins are not 1715 fleet, but it is somewhat odd that they were recovered in the same pile as the common Mexican variety. To me that hints that maybe they were not carried in the same chests as those destined for the royal coffers and could have been registered private treasure.
Regards,
Stan
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The real shiney one did not come out of the Jeanne event, but supposedly, the rest did. If you look, you can see some other wave design cobs in the pile, but, you're right about the overall disposition. I've heard the bilander story from 2 or 3 different folks, and 2 of em did not know one another, and both were privy to another site on the beach that only a handful of TH'rs ever mention... ever. Not even Joel had ever mentioned it to me.
Here's a pic Joel took of the haul. The shiners are not part of the storm booty.
Here's a pic Joel took of the haul. The shiners are not part of the storm booty.
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Terry,
My guess is still that they (the pillar coins) were added to the cache. I'm able to match up the pillar coins in both pictures if I compare back and forth, They are also not nearly as green, more blackened. I would expect this to be the opposite since a high copper content would I think encourage the green tone more. The Mexico mint generally maintained stricter purity standards than the mints of Peru (unless the king's hangman was visiting).
Thanks again for the great pics,
Stan
My guess is still that they (the pillar coins) were added to the cache. I'm able to match up the pillar coins in both pictures if I compare back and forth, They are also not nearly as green, more blackened. I would expect this to be the opposite since a high copper content would I think encourage the green tone more. The Mexico mint generally maintained stricter purity standards than the mints of Peru (unless the king's hangman was visiting).
Thanks again for the great pics,
Stan
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Hey Signumops, Have you looked at the current sea surface temps off the African coast? I would say as of right now with the higher temps and the break up of the el nino effect we might be in for a big hurricane season. If that's the case all those old spots could open up again.
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I am thinking that way myself. From what I've been hearing, it may be the ONLY way anybody down here gets any more cobs.
http://www.signumops.com/BlogEngine/post/2010/02/23/When-dat-hurricane-.aspx
http://www.signumops.com/BlogEngine/post/2010/02/23/When-dat-hurricane-.aspx
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