Two buttons need id pls

[Pdr206]

The intact one is a double button. Can see the rim on the back. Brassy finish on the front. Age? Coverall button?

One is badly damaged but intriguing. Thinking its newer. Front has a design on outer ring, back is a coppery colored foil. Button material looks and crumbles like pewter.

Thoughts?

Edit: Tried uploading better pictures, they look great on phone. Not coming out well here though. Sorry.

 

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[Pdr206]

Anyone have an idea?

 

[nhbenz]

Victorian waistcoat buttons would be my guess... and if I'm wrong hopefully my wrong answer will inspire someone to correctly ID them.

 

[Pdr206]

Haha cool thanks am trying to learn more on my own. Currently learning the cleaning techniques...