UAW strike

[SeabeeRon]

Unions suck, I was in the steelworkers union in Pittsburgh for a year and couldn't stand the fact of paying union dues so all the bums that worked there were protected, I walked out and never looked back.. When I say these guys were lazy I'm talking the bottom of the barrel..
Union workers have a sense Entitlement, the motto earing a living wage should be changed to maybe they're living outside they're means,and want somone else to foot that lifestyle....
This country is in hell right now, and I hope we get back on track, and I hope these car companies tell the union to shove it and start over non union like the mines did.

Sorry, but that was not my experience as a lifetime Union member during my working years.

 

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[unclemac]

there are a lot of things we take for granted today that unions did for us in the past. Folk had to die for it too.

 

[Peterw]

there are a lot of things we take for granted today that unions did for us in the past. Folk had to die for it too.

I can't speak for the older generation of workers, but the guys I was around is the reason plants are closing,and work is going elsewhere.
I'm a strong believer of living within your means, and by all accounts that's not what people do once they get a union job. I'm also a strong believer In your only worth what someone's will to pay.

 

[unclemac]

actually I have some knowledge about that....plants closed at the beginning of Nafta and went to Mexico (for cheaper labor), and then about 10 years later, closed in Mexico and moved to China (for cheaper labor). People today are all up in arms about "China, China, China". The fact is WE MADE THEM what they are today. Our "manufacturers" closed down and, didn't open their own new factories in China... no, no, no....they contracted with Chinese factories to produce "American" brands. I know this first hand by the way, not from hearsay.

 

[treasureguy56]

There are problems everywhere folks , but that doesnt mean UNIONS are the big evil . There are parts of every organization that could use improvement but I guarantee you the big three would love to see the Unions dismantled so they could dictate terms to all the employees . Those big bad unions may be a bit disillusioned about what they are or are not going to get this time around but Im certain they are still needed even with all their problems . Getting rid of Unions isnt the answer , maybe all the corporate greed could use a wake up call .

 

[devldog]

I'm a retired Firefighter and we would tour the old GM plant in Doraville, Ga. once a year for a fire safety inspection. All fire companies that would respond to the plant in case of an emergency, all 3 shifts would tour the plant. The guide was walking us down the assembly line explaining the line and the different phases and stages of the line. There were many workers sitting down and lounging about with a few working. One in our group asked why a few were actually working and the others breaking. The guide told us that the ones not working were union members, and "We can't say anything to em'". This would have been in the mid 1980's.

 

[unclemac]

....they were all union workers, so I don't see his comment making much sense. Speaking of unions, firefighters and police have a very strong one

 

[UnderMiner]

I'm suprized we even have a domestic automobile manufacturing industry anymore given the generally higher quality and cheaper prices of foreign imports. Henry Ford's vision was to produce quality cars as cheaply as possible in this country. Where has that idea gone? Many of these new autos roll off the assembly line already broken and need recalls. We live in a world now where car makers have forgotten how to make cars, movie makers forgot how to make movies, and we're all expected to pay more for it.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

I hate to say it, but UnderMiner is 100% correct. I always bought Toyotas for my daily driver because they were reliable and I'd put 250k on them with no issues. But a few years ago, I bought a Ford Fusion with 40k on it. Great car for about a year, but then this stupid wrench light kept coming on. It was a warning light shaped like a wrench! When that happened, it refused to shift into third and it sputtered when you stepped on the gas. Researched the issue online and replaced the throttle body and many other parts, but it kept acting up after a week or so.

When I gave up on trying to fix it myself, I took it to a Ford dealer. They quoted me a 4k price to fix it! I said forget it and took it to a few local auto shops, but no one could ever get it corrected for more than a few weeks. Gave up on the car and scrapped it. Bought a 2010 Corolla four years ago and have put 80k on it with no issues. Sorry, Ford, but quality is NOT job one with you guys.

 

[robertk]

Sorry, Ford, but quality is NOT job one with you guys.

Unfortunately I think that's the case for a lot of things these days, and not just cars. Everything is built to be rapidly used up and then replaced. I have often commented that it is amazing that we can dig up houses of stone built thousands of years ago, or artifacts of iron made hundreds of years ago. In a few centuries, what will the archeologists find of our modern civilization? My guess is there will be nothing worth digging up.

 

[unclemac]

I'm suprized we even have a domestic automobile manufacturing industry anymore given the generally higher quality and cheaper prices of foreign imports. Henry Ford's vision was to produce quality cars as cheaply as possible in this country. Where has that idea gone? Many of these new autos roll off the assembly line already broken and need recalls. We live in a world now where car makers have forgotten how to make cars, movie makers forgot how to make movies, and we're all expected to pay more for it.

it was called the 1980's.... every GM product looked the same, there was no more individual styling...AND... produce and paint them cheaper, cheaper, cheaper.... it was not unions... it was management!

 

[unclemac]

I hate to say it, but UnderMiner is 100% correct. I always bought Toyotas for my daily driver because they were reliable and I'd put 250k on them with no issues. But a few years ago, I bought a Ford Fusion with 40k on it. Great car for about a year, but then this stupid wrench light kept coming on. It was a warning light shaped like a wrench! When that happened, it refused to shift into third and it sputtered when you stepped on the gas. Researched the issue online and replaced the throttle body and many other parts, but it kept acting up after a week or so.

When I gave up on trying to fix it myself, I took it to a Ford dealer. They quoted me a 4k price to fix it! I said forget it and took it to a few local auto shops, but no one could ever get it corrected for more than a few weeks. Gave up on the car and scrapped it. Bought a 2010 Corolla four years ago and have put 80k on it with no issues. Sorry, Ford, but quality is NOT job one with you guys.

...me.... honda since 1982.... my '82 civic got an honest 50 PG on the highway... it was so good I had it checked out because the gas gage hasn't moved!

 

[unclemac]

Unfortunately I think that's the case for a lot of things these days, and not just cars. Everything is built to be rapidly used up and then replaced. I have often commented that it is amazing that we can dig up houses of stone built thousands of years ago, or artifacts of iron made hundreds of years ago. In a few centuries, what will the archeologists find of our modern civilization? My guess is there will be nothing worth digging up.

plastic...it will all be plastic...and last FOREVER!

 

[Peterw]

First time any type of mutiny would happen at my small business everyone would be fired, point blank. I only have a handful of guys but everyone is replaceable... A friend of mine owns a large private nursery that employs about 500 people.. The employees tried that mutiny there a few years back,, And Fred Built housing on his property for 500 employees and he’s got the happiest group of Mexican employees you’d ever seen... Thing is he pays them like he would anyone else, helps them out in anyway he can, and both sides are grateful ….American Entitlement is being replaced by Foreigners doing American jobs

 

[devldog]

....they were all union workers, so I don't see his comment making much sense. Speaking of unions, firefighters and police have a very strong one

Up north they do. Not down South here.

 

[unclemac]

mores the pity....

 

[unclemac]

First time any type of mutiny would happen at my small business everyone would be fired, point blank. I only have a handful of guys but everyone is replaceable... A friend of mine owns a large private nursery that employs about 500 people.. The employees tried that mutiny there a few years back,, And Fred Built housing on his property for 500 employees and he’s got the happiest group of Mexican employees you’d ever seen... Thing is he pays them like he would anyone else, helps them out in anyway he can, and both sides are grateful ….American Entitlement is being replaced by Foreigners doing American jobs

that is kind of what all of our ancestors did when they came to this country.... all those immigrants from yesteryear came here as "cheap labor".

 

[Whynotnow?]

….American Entitlement is being replaced by Foreigners doing American jobs

"American business owners looking for cheaper labor are giving American jobs to foreigners." I had to fix that for you because you stated it as though the employees had a choice in the matter.

 

[Peterw]

"American business owners looking for cheaper labor are giving American jobs to foreigners." I had to fix that for you because you stated it as though the employees had a choice in the matter.

No,I said it correct the first-time. That's your opinion.. American businesses aren't looking for cheaper labor, they're just looking for people who will actually work . I'm talking about the lazy union guys

 

[Whynotnow?]

No,I said it correct the first-time. That's your opinion.. American businesses aren't looking for cheaper labor, they're just looking for people who will actually work . I'm talking about the lazy union guys

They're looking for people who will work for the lowest wage they can pay them. There's no such thing as labor shortage. Its a clever way for companies to make it sound like its beyond their control, when in reality they could increase wages and have more labor than they know what to do with.