Underground city

[VegasCraig]

My family and I are beginner explorers and wanted to try the legend of the underground city in Death Valley. We are shooting for a late Sept trip.Any help and advice is welcome .Thanx.

 

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[stefen]

Ignorance is bliss

Death Valley holds the record for the highest reliably reported temperature in the Western hemisphere, 134°F (56.7°C) at Furnace Creek in 1913— September, if I recall.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Go to legends in here. Post the question as a new one. or send me an em and I will forward it to one that is intensely interested in this city. It is up to him to answer you.

Real_Tayopa@hotmail.com

Don Jose de La Mancha .

 

[Shortstack]

Welcome to the forum.

stefen is absolutely correct. You wrote that you and your family are "beginner explorers." You DO NOT want to go rambling around in Death Valley in the summer months; August and September being the 2 hottest. That is a very good way to end up as a statistic. I'm not trying to change your mind about hunting there, nor trying to "rain on your parade". I'm just asking you to please do your research on the BEST time of the year to go there and all the ways of survival in the valley. Just remember this one fact above all others; a person can go days without food, but only hours without water. I lived in Glendale, AZ several years ago and found the Phoenix Valley hot a hades in September. Where you are wanting to go makes the Phoenix Valley look like a cool oasis in September.

 

[Seamuss]

Go between thanksgiving and April fools day. Other wise you will evaporate and your ID will be the only thing that will be found. And that's if someone goes looking for you if you stick to the exact route that you gave someone before going.

Take a lot of water for cooking and drinking. The water that is in Death Valley is nasty and saturated with salt and other nasty stuff.

By all means, drive a car that will NOT brake down on you. There are a lot of miles between towns and services.

There will always be a Death Valley but you only have one chance to go drastically wrong in Death Valley.

Use your usual travel plans with the added knowledge that the valley is slightly hostile to people that are not prepared.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

It's already the lowest "surface" terrain on earth below sea level. How much deeper could a sunken city be?

 

[VegasCraig]

Thanx for the heads up about the weather.We are going to adjust our plans. I dont want our first trip to be our last.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI Vegas Craig: Since I have been doing this for a no. of years, i am going to put in my two cents on exploration. First unexplored areas or projects, are unexplored for a reason, generally inhospitable living / traveling conditions or hostlie animals, both two and four footed.

Regarding an area's conditions, you can partally handle that by duplicating as well as you can for a period before you jump off. In the case of Death Valley, go some where that has a fair duplicate of the conditions and try it for a week, 'walking' , not sitting in a chair. somewhere, where you can back out if you need to.

Going directly to Death Valley and jumping off with no intensive practice, will probably leave us wondering what ever happened to Vegas?? Remember there are many lost persons in that area that have just disappeared because of a simple mistake. Death Valley is NOT my idea of a first exploring venture, especially during the hot period.. Remember, you may be allowed just 'one' mistake.

On the Quintanna Roo /Belize exploration trip, where my partner and I spent over 6 months living off of the jungle and exploring for Mayan ruins, we first practiced for over a year with our equipment, constantly modifying it. We then walked from Colima down the west coast to Acapulco, where we went overland into the actual unknown jungle areas. There was no road down the west coast of Mexico then. By that time we were in excellent condition and had honed our survival skills to a fine point.

Later, this, and other explorations from the Gobi, Old China, and the Pacific basin managed to get me elected into the Elite Explorers club. There is a certain feeling that one gets in exploring, that cannot be easily explained. Just say that it fills in your memory banks for re-enjoyment later in life. You will enjoy it, IF, you have prepared yourself first.

See a few attachments, and feel free to em me for whatever.

Don Jose de La Mancha

www.explorers.org

p.s. The one in the photgraphs is my partner, I am the one in the big hat holding a machete that we used to gather the lagoon oysters. 3 rd one down on the left., the blurry one.

 

[Marbleguy]

I live next to Death Valley..

My town is Trona,Ca. During August the temp here is 130F. Do not underestimate our environment. If you come here,wear the proper clothing. I wear a cotton hat,XXXLG sized cotton shirt,blue jeans,cotton socks,lightweight cotton gloves and a water-soaked bandana. There is'nt one inch of my skin exposed to the sun. Don't drive out here in a junker vehical.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Right on Marble, I personally read you 5 X 5. Here is a self portrait from my walk into the Cerro del Encantado in Baja Calif. looking for ancient cliff writings and dwellings. It took two days each way plus a week up there alone.

Going up I did have to resort to a barrel cactus for water. It was HOT. Up there, in the canyon there was a beautiful little spring, and ancient ghosts joined me each night around my flickering campfire.

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. It isn't quite as barren as Death Valley, hint Vegas..

 

[cw0909]

vegas you just got here, dont go getting lost or, i dont even wanna
think about the other aspect, start here, get a feel, work into it slowly,
that fabled city isnt going anywhere.
some of the pdf, not even all of it, is what i did, about 9 yrs ago, thats about all
i had the stamina for, even marked, an known trails, was a tough go.
if i had done it in my 20s or 30s, with the knowledge i have now
it would, still have been a tough go. and thinking about, walking off
i think 30 mile or so, with no clue to what, spells disaster there.
your first look will say WOW, beautiful,amazing,
then your brain and common sense will say, @#%$

http://www.nps.gov/deva/upload/Visitor Guide 2008.pdf
http://www.nps.gov/deva/

 

[curbdiggercarl57]

Sunscreen.

 

[VegasCraig]

Thanx everyone for all the adv. I know I've come to the right place for help. We are going to try some not so dangerous adventures first."Beginner stuff". If its the lost city today I doubt if its going anywhere.Joseph those pictures are pretty cool I bet you have plenty of stories to tell.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI Cw you are my kinda guy, nice. You would have enjoyed some of my trips. Although lately, I have been using mules where possible, it gives you someone to blame and talk to heheh..

Besides, as I grow older and more experienced, I prefer more comforts, like a few blankets, extra coffee for those rained in days, and a piece of hard candy to finish the evening with. I have grown a bit jaded of sleeping on the bare ground with a small fire at each shoulder, and another at my feet to feet me to keep me warm.

After you have been on the trail for a month or so, without seeing another human for several days, any animal makes a good trail companion, of course any of our lovely TN gals still beats a beautiful, sexy mule hands down. sigh hehehe.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Craig my friend: I have forwarded your name and project to my friend. He will answer you. He apparently has excellent information.

I think that you are wise to go gently. It is far more fun when you aren't fighting for pure survival. In winter Death valley can be a wondrous adventure, and if you cap it off with the Lost city. wonderful. I am not trying to discourage you from your dream, just cautioning you to prepare for it.

As for memories of these trips, you will always cherish them, whether successful or not is of no true importance. They all go into your book of memories, to be withdrawn later when you no longer can do these things, or to tell your grand kiddies while they sit around you..

Many of the things that were used to get me elected into the Explorers Club, can never be repeated, since world conditions have changed so much. However I have personally seen and examined the remains of red haired giants 9 - 10 tall, and also those of 1 meter. I have bathed / swam in a river with an aquatic serpent approx. 80 ft long, always with 'underpants' after I found this out.

I have found lost towns, mines, and missions and uncovered the plot by the Jesuits to take north America away from the Spanish, for which they were expelled. I have found and now own the legendary lost Jesuit mine "Tayopa".

I have been inside the Forbidden city in Peking for a week at a time by myself examining and studying priceless objects. I have been to the Shensi pyramid in old China. irreplaceable memories.

Practical?? quien sabe, but many have been discussed here under 'Legends'.

What I am trying to say, is that if you have the spark, and backing of your family, googoogo, but go prepared. Welcome to the useless & foot loose bums of the world, who wouldn't trade the life for any other.

www.explorers.org

Don Jose de La mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good evening ANKH: You are correct my friend. These hidden and lost thingies also exist in other places, such as San Franciso, Calif. I am surprised to see that you know of it. Ever get a chance to explore it? If so, grab it, but leave the opium alone though, but do send me pictures. he he he.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[RGINN]

The best advice in here is "There will always be a Death Valley but you only have one chance to go drastically wrong in Death Valley". So, make the most of that chance. No, it's good advice for many situations. OYE, Real de Tayopa! Que bueno photos, buscadero! Muy interesante, gracias!

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good morning Plehbah: Dirt hehe, yes. for some reason I never ended up looking nice and clean as most of the movie explorers do, especially the Female leads. At times I was so strong / bad that even my mule shied away from me. No leading lady in her right mind would have smooched me. I certainly was no Stewart Granger or Errol Flynn. But when there are no bathing facilities, other than sweat, what does one do?

Food, best not to go into that, sigh, I have eaten things that would make an ordinary person head for the bathroom, but when your very survival is at stake, one will be amazed what they can do or eat.

But basically, even for me, there are / were limits. In the Solomons, I turned down a dinner invitation, even though I was to be one of the guests of honor, claiming that a Witch doctor had cast a spell upon me so I couldn't enjoy the main course, they understood. They were featuring Long pig, kai kai. They claim that we taste almost the same as pork, I never found out.

Crudely translated - some unfortunate human. Yes, cannibalism. It still is practiced, but not openly any more.

Apparently you have gone the route also Pleh.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good morning RGIN: You are so correct my friend, Death valley can collect on the first serious mistake, then again, one may go through a life time of boo boos and still come out ahead. In any event, ALWAYS go prepared for the area that you will be going into.

Gracias por sus palaveras tan amable - 'Thanks for your kind words. On the second picture down on the right, that is my partner when we finally reached the river. We had been completely without water for two days with 75 # packs. Poor planning on our part that just might have done us in, IF, we hadn't taken a serious, calculated chance and found that river still flowing. If it had been dry, as the last two were, I would not be typing this today.

Unless Vegas finds the undergournd city, there are no flowing rivers in Death Valey to save one that makes the same kind of a boo boo.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[civil war hunter]

Your talking about hell right? Does anyone read any more?