Unknown Good For token

[nebstater]

I posted this yesterday on "todays finds", but didn't get any help. I'm hoping that someone will be able to give me some info on this neat old Good For token that I found. In case you can't read it in the pictures, on the front it says "Dougherty & Woodward // KANS, on the back is says "Good for $1.00 in Merchandise". Does anyone know what city is Kansas that this is from, age, or any other info. Thanks in advance for your time. Larry

 

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[texan connection]

Sorry if Im not helpful or encouraging but I once found a 50 yr anniversary token in Bryan Tex, he only had 3 stores in the early 1900s. I was lucky to find one mention about his family in a obituary on line and was the only clue to it, the thing was probaly about as rare as it gets but also worthless you might have a rare one like mine.

 

[nebstater]

Sorry if Im not helpful or encouraging but I once found a 50 yr anniversary token in Bryan Tex, he only had 3 stores in the early 1900s. I was lucky to find one mention about his family in a obituary on line and was the only clue to it, the thing was probaly about as rare as it gets but also worthless you might have a rare one like mine.

Thanks for your note. I'm hoping that we have some Kansas tokens collectors on this board, and maybe they have seen and identified this token before. If not, it's still a nice find.

 

[texan connection]

Yes, very nice, and from the looks of the lettering Id say 1800s

 

[julesjunk]

I've got a great book on Kansas trade tokens, but I can't find an exact match. There are variations of Dougherty, with McMahon, Bros, L. and Son, and W. T., but nothing with Woodward. The towns these come from are Beattie, Logan, and Belleville. If you'll PM me, I'll give you the authors email address. If it's a previously unrecorded token he'll be excited to hear from you.
Where did you find it?........

Jules

 

[nebstater]

I've got a great book on Kansas trade tokens, but I can't find an exact match. There are variations of Dougherty, with McMahon, Bros, L. and Son, and W. T., but nothing with Woodward. The towns these come from are Beattie, Logan, and Belleville. If you'll PM me, I'll give you the authors email address. If it's a previously unrecorded token he'll be excited to hear from you.
Where did you find it?........

Jules

Thanks for the note. I've already sent you a pm, and will be looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Larry

 

[texan connection]

Wow keep us informed if you find anything out

 

[nebstater]

To those of you that are interested, I've email copies of the token to the author of the Kansas token book. When I hear from him, I'll share the information with the rest of you. Keep swingin all of you, and you may find one too.
HH

 

[Fast_Dave]

Here's a link that seems to have some pertinent information on your token.
http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/archives/1919ks/w/woodwarj.html

If I'm doing my math correctly, that would place the business of Dougherty & Woodward in Edmond, KS from 1909 to 1911

 

[nebstater]

Here's a link that seems to have some pertinent information on your token.
http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/archives/1919ks/w/woodwarj.html

If I'm doing my math correctly, that would place the business of Dougherty & Woodward in Edmond, KS from 1909 to 1911

Thank you very much for the information. I'm guessing, that the business could have been there before he was manager, but I don't know. At least we now know that the business was located in Edmond, Norton County, Kansas around 1910. Thank you very much for this info.
I knew someone on here would come through for me. HH Larry

 

[Fast_Dave]

I'd guess that it probably wasn't there earlier because the text reads:
"then returned to Edmond and established and for two years was manager of the Dougherty & Woodward Mercantile Company. "
Of course, that assumes the geneologist had his information right also.

 

[nebstater]

I'd guess that it probably wasn't there earlier because the text reads:
"then returned to Edmond and established and for two years was manager of the Dougherty & Woodward Mercantile Company. "
Of course, that assumes the geneologist had his information right also.

Just checked the old atlas, and Edmond, Kansas is a fair ways from Fairbury, Nebraska. How it got there, I have no idea, but at least it is now identified, and you was even able to put a rough estimate on the years of use. Thank you very much.

 

[julesjunk]

Excellent work Fast Dave.
Larry, you might send Daves link to the token guy. I'm sure he'd like to see it, and might be able to help with more info..........

There's a couple L. J. Woodward Mer. Co. token listings from Haviland, KS. Also a Woodward and Russell from Great Bend. Don't know it that's more of the same family or not.

Based on readings in this token book, I'd say that the Dougherty's were well established in Logan, KS.

 

[nebstater]

Excellent work Fast Dave.
Larry, you might send Daves link to the token guy. I'm sure he'd like to see it, and might be able to help with more info..........

There's a couple L. J. Woodward Mer. Co. token listings from Haviland, KS. Also a Woodward and Russell from Great Bend. Don't know it that's more of the same family or not.

Based on readings in this token book, I'd say that the Dougherty's were well established in Logan, KS.

It's already been done. I still haven't heard from him, but I'm thinking that he probably hasn't seen it before. What I'm curious about now is, did they make any other size tokens? Such as $.50, $.25, dime or nickel? A lot of stores that used them, also had several different denominations. Guess we may never know. If I ever hear from the token guy, I'll let everyone know.
Thanks to everyone for their help.

 

[Kansas]

This Edmond KS around 1913. My GG Grandfathers Hotel is in the foreground with the trees beside it. Maybe the company you are looking for is past the hotel. There was a great fire in the town about that time and most of what you see was burnt.

 

[idahotokens]

Good sleuthing, Dave, and nice find!

Let me toss out another theory. Since this one had the town name deliberately obliterated (or so it appears), the company may have opened a branch in some other town and wanted to "legitimately" use their tokens in both locations. Thus the worked-over token would be good at their store anywhere in Kansas. Of course, the original location would be included, so this attribution is good, but I think there may be at least one other location where these tokens were used. Some research in the Kansas business directories may find the other location.

I have seen a number of merchants order their tokens as mavericks (no town or state on them) on purpose. One reason for doing that would be to make the tokens good at any or all of their locations.

The token (before the town was obliterated) was not a maverick, of course, but somebody made it into one.

On the question of other denominations, yes, general merchants almost always had tokens made in 5¢, 10¢, 25¢, 50¢, and $1 denominations. Many are seen with 1¢, $5, $10, and other denominations. I say there are others "still out there" as well as ones with the town still legible.

John in ID

 

[nebstater]

Good sleuthing, Dave, and nice find!

Let me toss out another theory. Since this one had the town name deliberately obliterated (or so it appears), the company may have opened a branch in some other town and wanted to "legitimately" use their tokens in both locations. Thus the worked-over token would be good at their store anywhere in Kansas. Of course, the original location would be included, so this attribution is good, but I think there may be at least one other location where these tokens were used. Some research in the Kansas business directories may find the other location.

I have seen a number of merchants order their tokens as mavericks (no town or state on them) on purpose. One reason for doing that would be to make the tokens good at any or all of their locations.

The token (before the town was obliterated) was not a maverick, of course, but somebody made it into one.

On the question of other denominations, yes, general merchants almost always had tokens made in 5¢, 10¢, 25¢, 50¢, and $1 denominations. Many are seen with 1¢, $5, $10, and other denominations. I say there are others "still out there" as well as ones with the town still legible.

John in ID

Thanks for all of the info guys. Must make one thing clear at this point. I know that it looks in the picture of the token, that the city has been oblitherated. It wasn't. It was made without a city on it. So, John is probably right when he says it could be used in more than one store. I don't collect these things, so that never occured to me. But, it makes sense. I just wanted to say that the token hasn't been ground down or anything, it was just made with no city on it.

 

[nebstater]

This Edmond KS around 1913. My GG Grandfathers Hotel is in the foreground with the trees beside it. Maybe the company you are looking for is past the hotel. There was a great fire in the town about that time and most of what you see was burnt.

According to my atlas, the city isn't much larger today. It might be a good place to go look for more tokens.

 

[Kansas]

NO !!!! It is a terrible place to MD in !!!!
Dont poach my town !

 

[nebstater]

NO !!!! It is a terrible place to MD in !!!!
Dont poach my town !

I don't think that you have to worry about me. That's a little far to drive for a one day hunt. But, on the other hand....