Warning: D.C. cops under orders to arrest tourists with empty bullet casings

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Warning: D.C. cops under orders to arrest tourists with empty bullet casings

By PAUL BEDARD | SEPTEMBER 5, 2013 AT 8:40 AM

Washington police are operating under orders to arrest tourists and other non-residents traveling with spent bullet or shotgun casings, a crime that carries a $1,000 fine, a year in jail and a criminal record, according to a new book about the city's confusing gun laws.

"Empty shell casings are considered ammunition in Washington, D.C., so they are illegal to possess unless you are a resident and have a gun registration certificate," pens Emily Miller in her investigative book, "Emily Gets Her Gun: ... But Obama Wants to Take Yours."

Under the law, live or empty brass and plastic casings must be carried in a special container and unavailable to drivers. Having one, for example, in a cup holder or ash tray is illegal.

She told Secrets that the police are "under orders to arrest tourists or other legal gun owners from out of state who wouldn't think to empty brass and plastic from their cars or pockets."
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In her newly debuted book about the difficulty getting a gun in Washington, known for tough anti-gun laws, D.C. Police provided Miller with a copy of a recent "roll call" advisory that tells cops to overlook spent casings in the cars and trucks of city residents who have their gun registration certificate with them when detained, despite the law.

The advisory gives the example of a used .45 cartridge in a SUV's cup holder easily seen by a cop who had pulled a District resident over for an unrelated traffic issue. "In order to comply with the law," said the July 2012 police advisory, "the cartridge case should be stored so it is not accessible from the from the passenger compartment and the driver is, in fact violating the law and could be placed under arrest for this action."

Because the driver had a copy of his District gun license, arrest was not recommended.

Tourists without that city license, however, don't get the same treatment, said Miller.

She highlights the case of Army Specialist Adam Meckler who in 2011 was arrested for coming into the city from Virginia for a meeting at the Department of Veterans' Affairs while accidentally carrying a handful of bullets — but no gun — in his backpack. As he passed through a magnetometer, a guard yelled "Cuff him!" and he was held for hours, not knowing his crime.

"People looked at me like I was a terrorist," he said, calling the incident an accident. He was prosecuted and almost lost a job because he now has a criminal record and is on the city's gun offenders list. "I felt like I was registering as a sex offender," he told Miller who noted that NBC Meet the Press host David Gregory went "scot-free" for brandishing an illegal 30-round magazine while interviewing NRA's Wayne LaPierre in the network's D.C. studios last December.

Miller, a Washington Times editor, called the D.C. law stupid. "A brass candlestick can do more harm than an empty brass casing. I often have empty casings in my bags and clothes from when they fly off at the range, or as souvenirs," she wrote.

The law covering the transport of guns, ammo, and used ammo casings was enacted in 2009 after the Supreme Court overturned the District's 30-year gun ban in 2008.

Paul Bedard, The Washington Examiner's "Washington Secrets" columnist, can be contacted at pbedard@washingtonexaminer.com.
 

Get away from the tourist section of DC and you'll be the only person without a gun!
 

btw....................I picked up a few thousand rounds of empty brass just yesterday to add to the pile of reloading brass. Got them at a yard sale very cheap!
 

uhh, hate to tell you this, but no where in your post did you show anything except supposition that D.C. police are ordered to obey the laws of the District. Any chance she would be willing to share the "roll call advisory" in pdf form? Oh, and the next paragraph that states "could be placed under arrest for this action" doesn't sound much like an order. Does it?

If you'd like to try taking live rounds into any federal building, have at it but I think you might be held for a while just like Adam Meckler. I don't think they singled him out.

The thought of accidentally carrying a bunch of ammo anywhere just amazes me. Sometimes I forget that I'm carrying an RPG, but hell, that's easy to overlook while packing to go on vacation. Similar to Ted "the pantster" Nugents wife forgetting she had her pistol in her purse while trying to get on a plane in Dallas, Texas. Sheesh, if you can't remember what you did with your firearm, the ammunition for it, or where it's at, you should NOT BE ABLE TO OWN ONE.
 

Even if you dig them out of the ground. Its got to be within reason, at least that's what I am thinking.
 

No reason to go to DC in the first place. If you go, you are one of 3 things. A tourist (street meaning: target), a street thug or a white collar criminal. Anyone considered a patriot there is dead so there isn't anyone to talk to either.
 

No reason to go to DC in the first place. If you go, you are one of 3 things. A tourist (street meaning: target), a street thug or a white collar criminal. Anyone considered a patriot there is dead so there isn't anyone to talk to either.

Been there on an Honor Flight, but it did have a "stink" to the whole place. Not tempted to go back.
 

uhh, diggumup. I'm afraid you've been had by a specious post that has no relationship with reality, but it does sound good though.:headbang:
 

Yes, they are slowly but surely passing laws and regulations to control spent brass and shell casings. I went to our local Sportsman's Warehouse the other day looking for reloading powder and primers. As usual, out of about 50 types of powder they only had 4 in stock and it is for black powder shooting. Some primers were coming in the next day but they weren't the ones I was looking for. I wouldn't call what we do, "hoarding", but it looks that way. We are waaaaaay ahead on our ammo and reloading supplies but we can read the writing; it's time to stockpile. different meaning than hoarding in our way of thinking. Ever notice how surprised you are when a new STOP sign is placed on your daily route??
 

uhh, hate to tell you this, but no where in your post did you show anything except supposition that D.C. police are ordered to obey the laws of the District. Any chance she would be willing to share the "roll call advisory" in pdf form? Oh, and the next paragraph that states "could be placed under arrest for this action" doesn't sound much like an order. Does it?

If you'd like to try taking live rounds into any federal building, have at it but I think you might be held for a while just like Adam Meckler. I don't think they singled him out.

The thought of accidentally carrying a bunch of ammo anywhere just amazes me. Sometimes I forget that I'm carrying an RPG, but hell, that's easy to overlook while packing to go on vacation. Similar to Ted "the pantster" Nugents wife forgetting she had her pistol in her purse while trying to get on a plane in Dallas, Texas. Sheesh, if you can't remember what you did with your firearm, the ammunition for it, or where it's at, you should NOT BE ABLE TO OWN ONE.

Davest I believe that if you were concerned over this issue not being true you would of googled it.I came up with about 957,000 hits,how about you?
 

You know, when I was a tad younger I played tourist a bunch, but I never carried shell casings anywhere. I believe you and the story Red, seriously, but what tourist in D.C. would carry shell casings? Next we'll have a detector shortage because DHS will buy them all up so they can check for casings at every traffic stop...
 

but what tourist in D.C. would carry shell casings?

I collect old ammo sometimes.i have a small collection,black powder loads and more modern.Maybe somebody who goes to Dc buys some in an antique store:dontknow:

Heres a stupid law in MA,you cant own a guns magazine without a FID.
 

I throw old cartridges and shotgun shells I find in the back of my truck all of the time. It may seem weird, but I don't clean it all the time and I bet I could go out there and find a few very large ones I found on the last beach outing.

surprisingly enough I also drive around and have found my way to DC. And even though I take out my weapon before I go to a fascist stronghold I might not take all of the ammo out of my glovebox.

This country is going crazy, and I see a lot of the evidence here on this thread. Do some of you people think I am going to go on a mass ammo throwing tirade?

Growing up we used to go everywhere with a rifle in the truck, usually in the window. Amazing how much freedom we have lost. Thanks nanny staters!

"The thought of accidentally carrying a bunch of ammo anywhere just amazes me. Sometimes I forget that I'm carrying an RPG, but hell, that's easy to overlook while packing to go on vacation. Similar to Ted "the pantster" Nugents wife forgetting she had her pistol in her purse while trying to get on a plane in Dallas, Texas. Sheesh, if you can't remember what you did with your firearm, the ammunition for it, or where it's at, you should NOT BE ABLE TO OWN ONE."

Davest.... are you taking your meds?
 

by now you should have come up with a better response than that 44.

I am just stating that responsible gun owners don't forget that they are carrying loaded weapons. Or is doing that ok with you?

The sob story about Adam Meckler is just that. He's either suffering amnesia or is dumber than a box of rocks to attempt to carry any type of ammunition or firearm into a federal building.

Your turn to defend both Ms. Nugent and Adam Meckler.:icon_scratch:

as an aside, I'm trying to figure out how Washington, that socialist bastion of the country has now become a fascist stronghold.

Are you saying it's a fascist stronghold run by a liberal, socialist, Marxist? I just want to get the terminology correct. Thanks
 

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It's funny how the more liberalized this country becomes the less freedoms it's citizens enjoy.
 

Why would one want to visit D.C. anyway unless they have some relation there, its there that have biggest crooks in the country the politicians that is.
 

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Why would one want to visit D.C. anyway unless they have some relation there, its there that have biggest crooks in the county the politicians that is.
If you remove the local wildlife, it would be a great place to live and visit. It's a beautiful city with many historical places of interest. I have nothing against DC itself, only the scum that live and work there nowadays. I lived on the outskirts until I was 15.
 

Davest, you want me to defend this? Ted Nugents wife is not in this article is she? It appears you do need meds.

"She highlights the case of Army Specialist Adam Meckler who in 2011 was arrested for coming into the city from Virginia for a meeting at the Department of Veterans' Affairs while accidentally carrying a handful of bullets — but no gun — in his backpack. As he passed through a magnetometer, a guard yelled "Cuff him!" and he was held for hours, not knowing his crime."
 

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