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I am very new to native artifacts so my knowledge base is pretty low. I do have an idea of what this may be but I’d like some informed opinions from folks in the know on this type of stuff.

Found in a farm field in Southern Iowa/Northern Missouri. Sandstone/Soapstone.

Appears to have been worked or shaped. It has one very obvious cylindrical groove area and a second less obvious on an edge. Gouge marks could be plow strikes but they seem more purposeful/decorative looking than accidental.

If anyone can give me their opinion or inform me as to what this might be I would greatly appreciate it!
 

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I am very new to native artifacts so my knowledge base is pretty low. I do have an idea of what this may be but I’d like some informed opinions from folks in the know on this type of stuff.

Found in a farm field in Southern Iowa/Northern Missouri. Sandstone/Soapstone.

Appears to have been worked or shaped. It has one very obvious cylindrical groove area and a second less obvious on an edge. Gouge marks could be plow strikes but they seem more purposeful/decorative looking than accidental.

If anyone can give me their opinion or inform me as to what this might be I would greatly appreciate it!
hello sir, welcome to the forum.
one of the guys/gals may be able to help
 
Pictures are poor so hard to get good close ups, could have been used as abraider for senew or sharping points. Better pictures with good natural lighting would help.

Here are a couple sinew stones.

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Pictures are poor so hard to get good close ups, could have been used as abraider for senew or sharping points. Better pictures with good natural lighting would help.

Here are a couple sinew stones.

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Pictures are poor so hard to get good close ups, could have been used as abraider for senew or sharping points. Better pictures with good natural lighting would help.

Here are a couple sinew stones.

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Sorry for the such poor quality photography, I wasn’t aware of the standards on that. Thanks.

It’s not so much the gouge marks on my stone that I’m concerned with being a key identifying factor but the cylindrical groove(s).

Here are a few more, hopefully better, photographs.
 

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It's not required picture standards, rather good quality pictures in focus with good lighting when dealing with potential artifacts allow us to blow them up to look for signs of work by man.
 
It's not required picture standards, rather good quality pictures in focus with good lighting when dealing with potential artifacts allow us to blow them up to look for signs of work by man.
Well I appreciate your time looking at the 17 photographs I presented. Thank you.
 
It has something going on but I don't think it's NA related. Maybe an old broken wet stone.
I do agree that there is something going on with it.

It is the right stone type and size of a lot of what I have been reading/researching on Arrow Shaft Sanders used by Natives. Several different names for them but that gives you the idea.

Do you have any knowledge on anything related to that?
 
I do agree that there is something going on with it.

It is the right stone type and size of a lot of what I have been reading/researching on Arrow Shaft Sanders used by Natives. Several different names for them but that gives you the idea.

Do you have any knowledge on anything related to that?
Apologies in advance for the poor photograph quality but here are a few photographs from the internet showing very similar markings where the tool(s) show wear from the arrow shafts. There are numerous examples of confirmed pieces online.
 

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It has something going on but I don't think it's NA related. Maybe an old broken wet stone.
my first impression as well was, yes something, but not NA. It does resemble a broken abrader, however the broken off part is too smooth and fits the patina of the rest of the object. the groves on the front are the more interesting...like something was rubbed to sharpen...
 
It could be what you think it is, it could also be what anyone else here has guessed. I like TH’s guess of sinew stone because the groove and incisions line up for something like that, but abrader also makes sense to me. The best part of this hobby imo is the wonder and mystery, you will likely never get a definitive answer
On that piece.
 
Abrader. One side was for shafts, the other side was used to abrade a piece of flint that was being knapped. When pressure flaking arrowheads, the edge has to be dulled before removing flakes. Those narrow deep scratches were made by flint. I’ve been knapping since 1985.
 
To me its clearly an abrader as toddspoints points out. The Stone was selected for it abrasive properties and used in performing the specific tasks as mentioned.
 
Abrader. One side was for shafts, the other side was used to abrade a piece of flint that was being knapped. When pressure flaking arrowheads, the edge has to be dulled before removing flakes. Those narrow deep scratches were made by flint. I’ve been knapping since 1985.
I had this piece looked at before I even posted it. I have an experienced and reputable friend that is affiliated with the University of Iowa Archeology department. He has recovered more Native artifacts and recorded more Native sites for the University than anyone around this area. He immediately confirmed it to be an arrow shaft sander or as it is officially called, an Abrader.

I have been involved in metal detecting and artifact hunting for several years now, the latter of which I am a little greener on, and I always find it interesting when you post something and people view it or label it as something it’s not. Not only do they debate it incorrectly but they fail to provide any justification for their opinion. Most people won’t back their opinions on an item with facts or information rather they push what their view is and then shrink back into the shadows and allow others just go with what they say. It simply serves to show that just because you have a title with your name it doesn’t mean you know a lot about the subject or demonstrate good leadership.

I have found that when you post something you are going to get multiple opinions on the item even when it is pretty obvious what it is. I like to push the issue or even debate these things because I know I have taken the time to research and confirm facts. I’ve found that presenting your educated side and not just taking what people say is a good way for everyone to learn, even if I do come off abrasive. It garners much more attention when you stand behind your research and debate it instead of just taking what some “gatekeeper” on a forum says as gospel.

Hopefully this item and the debate surrounding it will help another treasure hunter in the future identify an item they come across. Preserving history is the goal of what we all do at the end of the day and preserving the correct history is very important.

ToddsPoint thank you for your actual assessment of the piece. I’m glad you were able to reaffirm what the piece was based off of your actual hands on experience with the items and the techniques used to produce or utilize them. It shows you actually have knowledge in this area and aren’t just throwing out opinions. Hopefully others, if not all ready, look to you for advice on their items as well.

This artifact will be documented and recorded and hopefully will be remembered for another 1000 years so that future generations can learn about and remember our pasts.

Happy hunting!
 
Better pictures really help
Better pictures really help
I agree good photographs do help however of the 33 pictures of this item I posted I am failing to see how the picture quality affected the assessment of this item. It sure didn’t for some anyway. Not one of those photographs was distorted in anyway to not be able to recognize the identifying markings. Agree to disagree!
 

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