and yes the KGC did indeed exist, just one of many names for the FAMily, Im not gonna get in a spitting match over this fact, but indeed the family had many names, one thing they all have in common is initiation, if you find a group that has this such as rose croix ,masons, templars , kgc ect.. they all are initiates, the names really dont matter as they are all the same, and it reached into every culture and place on the planet, back to bc times, as you study sites and masonry you can see commonalities, they become real apparent, the things i see and know are definatly from an elite group of gentleman, who were masters of knowledge and religeous culture and art, an amazing group for sure, probably the main question Ive always had is WHY?, a mystery in its self, any way good luck guys Tammahawk