Why not the Golden uMax?

So lets hear it, what do you think of the Golden uMax?

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For you Tesoro users out there,

I never seem to see anything here on the forum about the Golden uMax. The whole line of Tesoro machines seems to get batted around but not the Golden. It's basically a kicked up Silver uMax with a larger coil 9" X 8", four tone audio ID, a threshold control, and a notch mode with notch width control, and of course a higher price tag.
So lets hear it, what do you think of the Golden uMax?
 

Joe I've always wondered about this machine and finding anything on it anywhere isn't all that easy.

Even on metal detector reviews.net there are only 3 reviews.

I'd say it's Tesoro's most ignored model.

I do want to try one sometime but I'd have to get a super deal on a used unit.

Badger
 

Michigan Badger,

I have limited use with it myself. It seems I always grab a high end machine or the low end and hunt / test those. My impression is it's like hunting with a Compadre or Silver but with more controls.
I am amazed more people out there are not hunting with it! Badger do you think the price has something to do with it? Joe
 

JOE(USA) said:
Michigan Badger,

I have limited use with it myself. It seems I always grab a high end machine or the low end and hunt / test those. My impression is it's like hunting with a Compadre or Silver but with more controls.
I am amazed more people out there are not hunting with it! Badger do you think the price has something to do with it? Joe

Ya I'd say so Joe. At $423.20 you're only about $50 from a DeLeon.

Would you say it's basically a tone version of the Silver uMax?
 

Michigan Badger,

Ya, $70 difference on the Deleon. I think Tesoro might have thought that some people don't like visual ID only audio and the customer could save the extra $. The coil upgrade alone is worth $40 from the 8" to the 9 X 8". So for $230 you are getting the larger coil, four tone audio ID, a threshold control, and a notch mode with notch width control. That seems like it's worth that, don't you think? Maybe people out there just aren't doing the math or realizing what you are getting for the $?
I think it's more than just a tone version of the Silver. The customer is getting more than that for his money. Maybe someone that owns a Golden will give us their view? Joe
 

I found this answer on the Tesoro Forum. I tried to post but for some reason I get a "firewall" warning and find it impossible to even post to that forum. And too, since they upgraded it one can hardly read it due to such small and light fonts.

Anyway, Monte gave his opinion of the Golden uMax and here it is:

"Yes, I have used a couple of them and bought one after they were released to see what I thought of it.

Now, while I know I sometimes say things that aren't too favorable about a Tesoro model or some essence of performance, etc., I generally don't go out of my way to sound negative. In this case you asked my opinion. I wasn't pleased with it.

At the time I was looking for something that would provide a little audio assistance in some hunting applications. I was also hoping to find a lightweight model that would provide me the versatility I had with my dual-tone Pantera models. I'll credit the Golden µMAX for being lightweight but that's about it.

Let me explain or refresh reader's memories about some in-the-field phenomena we have to deal with. There are times when, due to ground conditions especially, targets are not easily discriminated and, if using a TID model, they come through with an errant TID registration.

Often, in locations with an above average (if there is such a thing) level of ground mineralization, you might reject a zinc penny laying on top of the ground at a particular high setting. This discriminate setting works fine as long as the zinc cents are within a certain depth range. But a deep zinc cent still responds.

I use this example to explain why the Tejón doesn't work for some hunting applications in bad ground, especially. After its release I went on a three state ghost town and old park trip with some friends. They were impressed how well the Tejón worked in the ghost town compare with their other brand. But they are mainly "silver shooters" and go for the older coins that are deep, relying on the Target ID and audio qualities to help them.

In a visit to my home town I took them to a couple of old parks that have produced silver form me. In most of the old park coins don't get very deep, but out in the center, and in a couple of other parts they do. (By "deep" I am referring to coins from 5" to 8" down.) It's been quite difficult to get any decent depth at those parks with some models through the years, but they were finding, and getting very useful TID readings that let them ignore surface targets and home in on the high-conductive, potentially silver coins.

In an effort to try and duplicate their success, I set the Tejón up with the Primary Disc. control at the minimum setting. I then adjusted the Secondary Disc. level to just reject the common zinc cent. I'd hunt, get a signal, and then toggle to the Alternate Disc. and check the target.

Time and time again I would get a repeatable response with the Alt. Disc. set high enough to knock out a surface/shallow zinc cent, probe the spot, determine it was 5" deep or more, and plug, only to recover a zinc cent, a pull tab, screw cap or other target that was just too deep to generate an ample signal to process. That .. or .. the phenomena of some buried targets reading higher than the discrimination or TID analyzes that to be.

It's much the same as hunting in the volleyball sites or on the highly mineralized river beaches here in the Portland, Oregon metro area. You can wave a US 5¢ passed a coil and it will respond with a proper TID. Tesoro, White's, Garrett, it doesn't matter, they all read "5¢." But toss that coin on top of the mineralized sand or just bury it flat at maybe 2", and you will get a reading that is much higher. A White's XLT, for example, will ID it with a VDI number or 18-19 in the air or on good ground, but on/in the mineralized sand the VDI reading is going to range from about 43-58!

Well, with the Pantera I had a notch discriminate detector that offered a two-tone audio. Below the notch setting it was a low tone and above the notch setting it was a high tone. Even if you were NOT using any notch acceptance or notch rejection, you used the Notch Disc. control knob to set the "tone break" between high and low tones. AND, the Pantera had a 10-turn manual Ground Balance control.

So, with the Pantera you could fine tune the GB for a very functional performance, and Power Balance in the Disc. mode if the ground was a real challenge. Then, with the variable control that allowed the operator to determine the Low Tone/High Tone break point, the operator could set eh audio tone function so that there was "proper" performance on some of the deeper targets or better handle varying ground conditions and target depths.

This isn't possible with the Golden µMAX. While it is light weight, and it does have a broader adjustment on the lower end in the Disc. mode, it lacks manual Ground Balance, and it doesn't provide much useful operator control like the Pantera or Golden Sabre II (which uses the Pantera circuit board but has a preset GB as the only performance difference).

Mind you, some targets don't always 'squeak through' with a higher registry. Sometimes a desired target will respond with a lower TID, or in the case of the Golden µMAX, a lower audio tone, that what it would in an "air test" or where there wasn't any mineralization challenge.

When I got my Golden µMAX, having used three others before I invested in one, we were headed out on vacation to Lake Havasu, Arizona. Looking for good excuses to not hang around with the in-laws, I headed to the beach, taking all three detectors I brought with me. I wanted to use the Golden µMAX because it was lighter weight, and with the stock 8x9 I could get good coverage on the beach.

I did recover a lot of coins, along with bottle caps, pull tabs and screw caps, but I was hoping for god jewelry so I was digging it all. Close to some locations, however, I figured the notch circuitry could reduce the number of hits I got from pull tabs, and the "spring break" crowd was leaving an ample supply to test its ability.

Two problems came to light in the first half of the day of detecting. One, depending upon the Notch setting and Disc. setting used, you might only get 3-tone performance and not a 4-tone response.

The other was that I lucked into a heavy scattering of coins in a volleyball area that was mainly 10¢ coins but with quite a few 25¢ mixed in. About 8 out of 10 times, a surface to 3" 10¢ would register with the next lowest audio Tone, and about 50% of the quarters would also respond in the lower audio category.

I was hunting at minimum discrimination so as to get a hit on gold chains and the like in the very mineralized sand, but some of the low-tone iron readings turned out to be 5¢ coins. Others were iron and various sizes of foil (no good jewelry ), and I quickly became annoyed at the useless audio tones of the Golden µMAX.

That afternoon I switched to a different detector on the beach, but did use the Golden µMAX at two schools with pea gravel, where I had so-so performance. I had to hunt in All Metal because the mineralization was too intense for good Disc. mode performance. I walked the Golden back to my rig and grabbed the Compadre w/7" coil and then I had success, making use of the full-range All Metal acceptance to handle the ground signal and pass along several coins and costume jewelry items I hadn't been able to find.

To be honest, I much preferred the Euro Sabre (which came out about a year later) to the Golden µMAX so far as having any type of functional Tone ID. The Euro Sabre worked pretty well in that most iron gave a low-tone audio and most non-ferrous targets produced a high-tone audio. That allowed me to hunt in an All Metal accept mode and hear ALL targets present at a site, but audibly 'classify' them as probable iron or non-iron.

So, my concluding opinion is I am surprised it is still in their product line. I figure that for those who hunt in locations with very low mineralization, or exclusively in woodchip or good sand-filled playgrounds, the performance is reasonably good. But for me, and many others who reported in the first couple of years after it's Sept. 2000 release, it just didn't do that well in 'bad ground' conditions. That and the fact that many hobbyists who are mainly coin shooters have gravitated to visual Target ID models and audio ID w/o visual ID just doesn't do it for them.

If you own one, use it, and like it .... GREAT! But if you lived where I do it wouldn't please you much, I'm sure.

It's going to have its followers and those who don't like it, just like every model does, some better or worse than others.

Monte "
 

The Golden uMax would have been a decent detector if they had ED 180 disc., manual GB, and a decent full range notch. Tesoro seems to have been sooo concerned about the market share of each detector that they ended up releasing a p. poor product. I'm not talking quality, it's top notch, but the thinking behind the detector seems to be rather suspect. ..Willy.
 

Michigan Badger,

That was a nice field test. I just read it so I'm going to "chew" on it awhile,then I'll get back.

PS - Willy, what you say makes sense. Joe
 

I have the old Golden Saber and the old Silver Saber. The only real difference between those two models is the variable notch on the Golden and the coil sizes. There is zero difference in the two as far as depth or discrimination, etc, even if I switch coils between the two, except for tiny nuggets. The two coils weigh the same too, although the smaller one is solid and the bigger one is open. The Silver has the 7" coil and the Golden has the open center 8" coil. Both came stock that way. The Silver has a shorter cable length.

I have often wondered if the uMax's were any better or not, and if they really are any different from each other. Gary's in GB says that the search freq ranges +/- 1 Khz on the same models, older or newer..

The 7" coil does find BB sized nuggets about one inch deeper than the 8 incher. 4 inches compared to 3 inches.

I was curious too.
 

I've written about the Tesoro machines many times over the years. I haven't own every model but I have used the original Silver, Silver Sabre II, Silver uMax, DeLeon, and Tejon. What I've found is given the same sized/type of coil there wasn't a significance difference in the depth of any of them in our soils in this area.

In fact, I am of the opinion 95% of the VLF machines made today are about equal in depth. Those that go significantly deeper are significantly more a pain in the butt to learn and use.

Sorry, this may be a bit crude but it's how I really feel about all this.

Badger
 

Sad but true. I think that the MD manufacturers twigged onto that a while ago and, in recompense, started coming out with larger and larger stock coils in order to give that out-of-the-box depth. Problem is, these same coils, if concentric, are just plain useless in many areas. ..Willy.
 

Badger you and Willy are right on the MONEY!

I ran into two guys this evening while searching for a lost sulfur springs up in the woods and one had a White's 5000, the other had a White's Prism IV and I had my cz-70 and two Compasses out of the van. There wasn't any more than 1 1/2" depth difference between all of them in that soil, but the winner (just barely) was the cz, by (almost) 1" over the one Compass ( a basic coinhunter) and it barely beat the other Compass. The IV only had 1 inch less than all of them. The 5000 had 1 1/2" less than the Fisher. I would have brought out the Minelab but I didn't want to get too embarrassed (just joking). The Sov would have gotten the same depth as the one Compass but wouldn't have matched the other one. The ground was real mild, a 6 on the Fisher scale of 1-10. Most of this soil runs at a "2". Some of it runs at a real ugly "1".

1 or 2 inches is not enough to even worry about. 5 inches might be, but how many coins are that deep anyway?
 

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