Winter Bean Field - Day 8.........

[CRUSADER]

We waited awhile in the hope that the rain would stop. It didn't so, on with the waterproofs. It was raining when we started & raining when we finished, thankfully the clay soil was past the sticky stage as it was too wet. We managed 2 hours which is enough when your waterproofs aren't keeping out the water anymore (too cheap to buy another set)

The best finds were:
Broken Medieval Casket key of a design I haven't seen before.
Roman & Medieval Pinheads
Spectacle buckle

My fav of the day, a Lead Medieval Trade Weight. I've been wanting one of these but hope for a nice one with a lion or other marking on the top. Still its our first & Dad found it in his usual way & thought it was a Victorian Toy Iron.

 

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[woody50]

Hi Cru, great finds, this was a good day for both of you. The hanger in the 2nd photo looks quite special. Interested in seeing what it is when you get it cleaned up if possible. The lead medieval trade weight is great, yes a pity that the lion has worn away. I have found only one where you can see the lion a bit, and I know that the must exist. I guess its just like the coins (Elizabeth) that one side gets worn away.... You both had a good day, although a bit wet, especially in two hours! Great key, real pity its not whole, then it was a really special one!

 

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[woody50]

Another enjoyable sight to see. Congats on more interesting finds. The key is awesome. That oval stripped button that you have there, is it a cuff button 1700's? I found one just like it. The loop is sort of flat and squared off on the top.

Could be, I have found several also of the same shape and design. Cru?

 

[CRUSADER]

nice finds! strange how there is no coinage it almost looks like you must have dug them all before! but you wouldn't have missed these things first time round would you? especialy the lead!
does this mean that ploughed fields have coin hotspots? stupid question i know

With the button is a Victorian Farthing, hard to see in picture but its at the bottom. When we last did this field, it was freshly ploughed & therefore light & and full of air. Now that the crop has grown & the ground has settled & tractors & combines have flatten the ground it is better for detecting. Also the ground is wet & we have slowed up & turned down the discrim. When we have time, we are more fussy to remove all signals. That is why we are getting more stuff. Our tactics change depending on time & conditions to maximise our find rate. Its a long story about which period coins end up where in this field.

 

[CRUSADER]

Another enjoyable sight to see. Congats on more interesting finds. The key is awesome. That oval stripped button that you have there, is it a cuff button 1700's? I found one just like it. The loop is sort of flat and squared off on the top.

Could be, I have found several also of the same shape and design. Cru?

Yeah, 1 half of a late 18th century cufflink.

 

[shaun7]

nice finds! strange how there is no coinage it almost looks like you must have dug them all before! but you wouldn't have missed these things first time round would you? especialy the lead!
does this mean that ploughed fields have coin hotspots? stupid question i know

With the button is a Victorian Farthing, hard to see in picture but its at the bottom. When we last did this field, it was freshly ploughed & therefore light & and full of air. Now that the crop has grown & the ground has settled & tractors & combines have flatten the ground it is better for detecting. Also the ground is wet & we have slowed up & turned down the discrim. When we have time, we are more fussy to remove all signals. That is why we are getting more stuff. Our tactics change depending on time & conditions to maximise our find rate. Its a long story about which period coins end up where in this field.

i did say it as a stupid question

 

[woody50]

nice finds! strange how there is no coinage it almost looks like you must have dug them all before! but you wouldn't have missed these things first time round would you? especially the lead!
does this mean that ploughed fields have coin hotspots? stupid question i know

Maybe it is a stupid question, but how do we learn if we don't ask? You only have to ask once also. But actually nothing is a stupid question, everyone can learn from the answer and even if you think already to know the answer you might learn something, I know I have over the years, just by listening or reading answers.

Anyway some plowed fields do have hot spots, places where formerly houses, villas, workshops and the like were. Burnt down, or broken down later and removed and then the field plowed for crops. Why do we always find finds? We all miss finds, and most every time we go back to the same ground and search again we end up saying, "How in the world did I miss that?" to ourselves. Its just that no one can find all the finds in one time, many are missed and some are laying in the ground in a position that it cannot be found. Like Cru says, after a crop is seeded or settled down for a while, more finds are found. Also in plowed ground are a lot of air pockets, and every air pocket makes any finds below the pocket just so much deeper. If you search newly plowed ground, keep track of what you find. Then go back next time before its plowed again (and hope its not been detected in between) and search, you will find much more.

But anyway I have found a number of hot spots, such as places where the Romans had a small or tiny buildings on fields to pay workers who were working or gathering up the crops or that sort of thing. The Romans would weigh the material that someone had brought in, and he would be paid accordingly. Or paid for other work. I have found a number of these over the years. The area where say 85% of the finds are located are in this case not more than say 15 meters in the round. So not large for a field of say 40 hectares. Those I call hot spots. Outside of them I found a few coins, but the further away from the center the finds just dwindled away.

Normally in fields used for centuries you will always find coins, clothes were not so good back then, the pockets especially, and there were no banks so you took your money with you or hid it. With most normal losses you will find a few coins in each acre for instance, and mostly in every acre, because those are just normal losses by farmers, people walking around and that sort of thing.

Anyway that's my two cents... (or pennies for the British guys)

 

[Merf]

Congrats on those neat old finds

 

[tinpan]

The key fragment is interesting. Lots of geometry and patina.

Yes the key frag is wonderful, pity that Cru didn't get all of it.

Say, now that I have your attention... I was wanting to ask you sometime about you alias. I am pretty sure what the pleh is, and maybe the bah is just a following word to describe the first. But not sure.....

As far as I can see pleh has a number of meanings
-An adjective used to signal disinterest, lack of regard or care
-A term used to express exasperation or distress. Help spelled backwards
-Help backwards. defined originally in the popular TV show friends
-The correct spelling for the typo "Play".
-The worst flamer on the net. he owns though
-Originated from wanting to type `okeh' and just having the fingers a tad too far on the right hand side... (a word for anything else)
-Sexual activity between one or more people.
-A term showing disgust or dislike
-A word used to explain you're retarded, and in need of some mental help

bah we all know (I think). Disgust, ugh, foei (dutch)

So I was thinking about the first definations... disinterest and disgust.
Could also mean Help ugh (don't know what to say after help).

Could you help me out? BTW I have a lot of relatives living in your city!

AND ARE YOU REALLY 77? You know we are not suppose to lie!

plehbah is nearly the same as the word pljehbah This is a word from a culture that lasted 40,000 years.It refers to the method of binding a spearhead to a shaft using tree gum.Once the gum sets turns into a type of amber.Just the right amount was used so the spear was prefectly balanced.What sort of culture existed in NL 40,000 years ago.


tinpan only a spear throw from Kow Swamp

 

[woody50]

Tinpan:
plehbah is nearly the same as the word pljehbah This is a word from a culture that lasted 40,000 years.It refers to the method of binding a spearhead to a shaft using tree gum.Once the gum sets turns into a type of amber.Just the right amount was used so the spear was perfectly balanced.What sort of culture existed in NL 40,000 years ago.
tinpan only a spear throw from Kow Swamp

Thanks for the explanation of plehbah, yes it could very likely be the same word. That is great history, you can just imagine how people back then found out how to use the tree gum. That was I guess an important discovery.

Kow Swamp, that is also an interesting discovery, nice that you live so close by. But that seems to be between 13k and 20k BC old, or did I read it wrong?

About Netherland in the prehistory time. Although there were nomadic reindeer hunters roaming around here at about 14k BC, farming and settling down here can be traced back to about 5300BC. The hunters tried to become less dependent on what nature could give then hunters/fishermen and started to grow crops and domesticate livestock at that time, so became farmers instead of hunters, and had more wealth.

But the Netherlands at that time was completely different than today. Remember the Netherlands area is about 3/4 under the sea level, so back in those years it was mostly water. Not many wanted to live in a swamp. People really only started to come here after many dikes were built and pumping out water made the land dry. Without continually pumping out this water, even today, the land will return to the sea.

Dutch prehistory : http://home-l2.tiscali.nl/~sparhawk/pre_hist.htm

 

[liftloop]

You find all the cool stuf

 

[melvin_it]

Hey Crusader,

How do'you date those small buttons with 4 holes? May you suggest some english book over this category of artifacts?

Thanks

 

[CRUSADER]

Hey Crusader,

How do'you date those small buttons with 4 holes? May you suggest some english book over this category of artifacts?

Thanks

No button book that I know of for 4 holed buttons. I thow them in the junk box. They are mostly post 1900 trouser, shirt or underwear types.

 

[tinpan]

Tinpan:
plehbah is nearly the same as the word pljehbah This is a word from a culture that lasted 40,000 years.It refers to the method of binding a spearhead to a shaft using tree gum.Once the gum sets turns into a type of amber.Just the right amount was used so the spear was perfectly balanced.What sort of culture existed in NL 40,000 years ago.
tinpan only a spear throw from Kow Swamp

Thanks for the explanation of plehbah, yes it could very likely be the same word. That is great history, you can just imagine how people back then found out how to use the tree gum. That was I guess an important discovery.

Kow Swamp, that is also an interesting discovery, nice that you live so close by. But that seems to be between 13k and 20k BC old, or did I read it wrong?

About Netherland in the prehistory time. Although there were nomadic reindeer hunters roaming around here at about 14k BC, farming and settling down here can be traced back to about 5300BC. The hunters tried to become less dependent on what nature could give then hunters/fishermen and started to grow crops and domesticate livestock at that time, so became farmers instead of hunters, and had more wealth.

But the Netherlands at that time was completely different than today. Remember the Netherlands area is about 3/4 under the sea level, so back in those years it was mostly water. Not many wanted to live in a swamp. People really only started to come here after many dikes were built and pumping out water made the land dry. Without continually pumping out this water, even today, the land will return to the sea.

Dutch prehistory : http://home-l2.tiscali.nl/~sparhawk/pre_hist.htm

thank for the info i was wrong lets try 60,000 bc

http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/australia

tinpan 2 spear throws from Lake Mungo.

 

[woody50]

Tinpan:
plehbah is nearly the same as the word pljehbah This is a word from a culture that lasted 40,000 years.It refers to the method of binding a spearhead to a shaft using tree gum.Once the gum sets turns into a type of amber.Just the right amount was used so the spear was perfectly balanced.What sort of culture existed in NL 40,000 years ago.
tinpan only a spear throw from Kow Swamp

Thanks for the explanation of plehbah, yes it could very likely be the same word. That is great history, you can just imagine how people back then found out how to use the tree gum. That was I guess an important discovery.

Kow Swamp, that is also an interesting discovery, nice that you live so close by. But that seems to be between 13k and 20k BC old, or did I read it wrong?

About Netherland in the prehistory time. Although there were nomadic reindeer hunters roaming around here at about 14k BC, farming and settling down here can be traced back to about 5300BC. The hunters tried to become less dependent on what nature could give then hunters/fishermen and started to grow crops and domesticate livestock at that time, so became farmers instead of hunters, and had more wealth.

But the Netherlands at that time was completely different than today. Remember the Netherlands area is about 3/4 under the sea level, so back in those years it was mostly water. Not many wanted to live in a swamp. People really only started to come here after many dikes were built and pumping out water made the land dry. Without continually pumping out this water, even today, the land will return to the sea.

Dutch prehistory : http://home-l2.tiscali.nl/~sparhawk/pre_hist.htm

thank for the info i was wrong lets try 60,000 bc

http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/australia

tinpan 2 spear throws from Lake Mungo.

Link does not work for me. But what is the point about going back so far, don't understand.