Ww2 tracer round ?

[keossvin]

Hello fellow diggers, I found this round in a forrest where i've found other rounds from the ww2.

Any idea if this one is from ww2 ?

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[OutdoorAdv]

Is the red tip hard or soft? Can you measure the caliber of it?

I don't know much about tracer rounds, however this reminds me of a rubber tipped round used for tube fed magazine rifles. If the red tip is soft, that is probably what it is.

For a tube fed rifle magazine, the rounds are loaded into a tube with each round touching front to back like this



The tip of each bullet in a tube fed magazine touches the back of the shell casing for the round in front of it. The rounds for tube fed magazine rifles have a blunt tip on them because if they were the typical pointed tip spitzer bullet, then the tip would be pressed in the center of the primer on the bullet in front of it. The recoil of the rifle would set off the primer of the casing in front of it causing a chain reaction and a deadly mess to the shooter.

Here is a typical tube fed rifle round... the popular 30-30. It has a blunt nose so that it does not punch the primer of the round in front of it.



The issue is that the blunt nose makes the ballistics of the round not as favorable as a spitzer point bullet. So manufacturers like Hornady developed a rubber tipped round for tube fed rifles. This gives the bullet much better ballistics and the rubber tip is soft enough not to punch the primer of the round in front of it during recoil.



The red tip of your bullet reminded me of this. If its a rubber tip then that is probably what it is... if hard, perhaps its a tracer round.

 

[Pyrofx]

50 bmg. Tracer. Looks unfired. No rifling and tracer comp still in it. Could be ww2 up to current .
Greg

 

[Tony in SC]

Tracer round. Don't know the size but it looks big, so I'll say 50cal. I think every 5th round was a tracer? Tony

 

[d2]

If it had went down the barrel it would have gotten hot and there would be no red on the end of the bullet...d2

 

[keossvin]

50 bmg. Tracer. Looks unfired. No rifling and tracer comp still in it. Could be ww2 up to current .
Greg

Indeed forgot to say its 50. But here's the weird part. They look pretty new, even red paint is still on it so.. Can they be from ww2 ?
But in the other side it would be weird if they where pretty new because I live in the Netherlands and almost nobody has weapons here. And the forrest is pretty small so I dont think it was part of a military exercise.


So ww2..?

Sorry for my bad grammar, english isnt my mother tongue

 

[Tommy G]

Not seeing any rifling marks or striations going through the crimping groove (that ring around the middle), so looks like it was pulled from the cartridge and was never fired - Possibly to use the gunpowder to help ignite a campfire under wet conditions. The red tips are usually phosphorus, tracer rounds. Not fired, so it never burned.

 

[kcm]

Why does it look like the tip had a blowout??

 

[keossvin]

Is the red tip hard or soft? Can you measure the caliber of it?

I don't know much about tracer rounds, however this reminds me of a rubber tipped round used for tube fed magazine rifles. If the red tip is soft, that is probably what it is.

For a tube fed rifle magazine, the rounds are loaded into a tube with each round touching front to back like this

View attachment 1311567

The tip of each bullet in a tube fed magazine touches the back of the shell casing for the round in front of it. The rounds for tube fed magazine rifles have a blunt tip on them because if they were the typical pointed tip spitzer bullet, then the tip would be pressed in the center of the primer on the bullet in front of it. The recoil of the rifle would set off the primer of the casing in front of it causing a chain reaction and a deadly mess to the shooter.

Here is a typical tube fed rifle round... the popular 30-30. It has a blunt nose so that it does not punch the primer of the round in front of it.

View attachment 1311569

The issue is that the blunt nose makes the ballistics of the round not as favorable as a spitzer point bullet. So manufacturers like Hornady developed a rubber tipped round for tube fed rifles. This gives the bullet much better ballistics and the rubber tip is soft enough not to punch the primer of the round in front of it during recoil.

View attachment 1311568

The red tip of your bullet reminded me of this. If its a rubber tip then that is probably what it is... if hard, perhaps its a tracer round.

Thanks for the big explanation !! But no.. The top is hard as the rest of the round..

 

[Tommy G]

Why does it look like the tip had a blowout??

Can't tell without a better photo of the tip, but appears to have some rusted iron fragments stuck to it.

 

[keossvin]

Can't tell without a better photo of the tip, but appears to have some rusted iron fragments stuck to it.

Do you know if it can be ww2 ?

 

[Tommy G]

Do you know if it can be ww2 ?

It's possible. While the weapons have changed a lot, the rounds haven't changed much. You might want to go back and search for the brass casing. The primer end would be stamped with a lot number, and possibly a year.