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    florida shipwreck laws

    can anyone give me the real truth to the current state of obtaining a exploratory lease for a underwater area.. is the state giving them? i know they say yes ye yes but is it selective.. meaning if they like u or not. they claim there is no moritorium but seems like there still is. no new leases being granted... i heard they were saying yes we grant leases but deny everyone assumingi they dont like ur archealogist or team or diver etc.. ? can anyone shed light.. thanks... the recent fisher wreck expansion site caught my eye... god i hate modern day government...we need a revolution in this country..isnt that what happen with england why we defected? england got greedy went beyond their reach of power..? we branced off. well im ready to branch off and make my own laws too lol
    always looking for fellow treasure hunters in my area

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    Doubloonhunter, welcome aboard TreasureNet! I have a link for you to follow that should get you headed in the right direction. I also have some PDF files with the State of Florida requirements that I may be able to email you with more information. However, the cold hard truth is that the State of Florida DHR is less than cooperative with treasure hunters these days. Yes, you can still get exploration leases, but that seems to be about it these days.

    http://www.flheritage.com/archaeolog...water/laws.cfm

    Tom

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    sure you can get look and find permits --no problem so long as you got thru the "process" pay a buncha fees and give over copys of all the data you collect to the state as part of the cost of doing bussiness -- now however when you ask for the actual "recovery" permits so you can "actually" recover things to sale and make that dirty word --"profiets" ---well thats a "NO"-- sorry you can not have one of those "permits" for "whatever reason" --pick one of many BS reasons

    so if you like to spend money on "research" permits and data collection to assist the state of florida ( you must share the info you get as part of the permitting "process" with the state of florida) ---without any hopes of ever turning a fiscal profiet , then by all means --apply for exploration (research) permits to your hearts desire .

    its a sort of crooked shell game they play --the old multi permit hustle * let you have all the permits you need but the last one * the all important "actually recovery" permit --in the meanwhile folks gather lots and lots of free data for the state of florida while doing "research"--plus paying fees for those "research" permits and giving lots of free info to the state with nothing in return fiscally -- basically its a flim flam game run by the state arch dept. and sooner or later its going to wind up in court -- most likely on the grounds of of illegal restraint of trade and not acting "in good faith" with the fisher case court agreement that stated that the state of florida had to set up a "permitting" process whereby --permits would be issued in the future *-- via various means the state has not issued any new "harvest permits" for new wrecks many many years -- as a matter of fact --its very clear they do not really intend to issue new permits because their lack of issuing any for the last 20 years -- and is something that the various archies type both those with the state and others in the "college and private sector" brag about bring "proud of". --so clearly it not by "accident" but by design that this has occured.

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    All the treasure hunters that have a search permit but were denied a salvage permit need to get together and file a law suit against the state. If there is enough of you, you might be able to get "class action status." This would really be a wake up call. I don't know why you guys don't do this. You might even be able to get your court costs reimbursed.

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    Aquanut

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    Tom. Ivan and Pete, Everything you say is true. How did the state acquire so much power over us? These folks have the ear of Tallahasee because they are there. Being funded by our money, they work against us. In reality, they are a very small group, much smaller than us. What they have that we don't, is the time to keep harping their interests. They can lobby on government time.
    I like your idea Pete, sue them! The only problem here is money. Usually the guys that put up the money for all the permits are pretty much like the rest of us...broke. Now if somebody like "Biker Lawyer" for example wanted to take up the cause I'll donate a hundred bucks to the lawsuit. I know thats not much, but it's all I can afford. If some others would do the same, maybe we could actually come up with enough to make a difference.
    Any ideas?

    Aquanut

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    State legislature.

    First, this area is not a democracy.

    There's bound to be a state legislator that is sympathetic; get to him and see what he says.
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." ó Friedrich Nietzsche

    "You ask where I live. I cannot tell you. I am a Voyageur, a Chicot, sir. I live everywhere. My grandfather was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. My father was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. I will also die while en route, and another Chicot will take my place. Such is our course of life."

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    Pirate of the Martires

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    All the salvage companys that spent thousands on research and searching. Well, they can spend a little bit more on litigation.

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    Aquanut

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    Bum Luck,
    You got anybody in mind? The whole damn political system is about "what can you do for me"! It's no longer about what is right, but what is politically correct and advantageous to the politician. Our numbers are few, we have little money and our purpose is not one that necessarily benefits the public. So I have to humbly submit myself as a candidate for "the People"!

    Time to move this thread to the broader public!

    Aquanut

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    Here's an idea, all of us treasure hunters with boats could cause a gridlock ( I guess on water it would be considered a blockade) at Port Canaveral. That would get some attention Lol. Do you think a sub would sink one of us?

    So do we need an exploratory permit to walk in the surf with a metal detector, outside of a leased area of course?

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    Quote Originally Posted by aquanut
    Bum Luck,
    You got anybody in mind? The whole damn political system is about "what can you do for me"! It's no longer about what is right, but what is politically correct and advantageous to the politician. Our numbers are few, we have little money and our purpose is not one that necessarily benefits the public. So I have to humbly submit myself as a candidate for "the People"!

    Time to move this thread to the broader public!

    Aquanut
    No, I don't live in Florida, so I don't have any idea what the specific legislative landscape is, but as a general rule, just start learning about the legislators, where they are on issues, and who might be sympathetic. Google is a great tool, saving tons of time.

    I hate to sentence you to get involved , but maybe laid up with your knee, you could spend some. Archies are a fringe benefit to society, and they may not get seen as essential by all.

    Feel free to PM me, since typing is a chore for this coordination impaired fellow.
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." ó Friedrich Nietzsche

    "You ask where I live. I cannot tell you. I am a Voyageur, a Chicot, sir. I live everywhere. My grandfather was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. My father was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. I will also die while en route, and another Chicot will take my place. Such is our course of life."

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    Lucky SoB

    May 2010
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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    being my first post here, howdy hello hi all glad to greet ya.

    I think the laws against what we do in the waters are unfortunate which also create modern day pirates of booty. it's Florida's own fault when they lose critical documentation of these items recovered from shipwrecks, its the simple fact of...ok picture yourself in the water and spot a shiny gold coin lying right on top of the sand...so...what you can't touch it nor pocket it and resell for personal gain? isn't that what this country was built on? So you must just leave it there!?! It's not the U.S.'s treasure anyways (most of it). Ridiculous. Freedom shall prevail and i'd love to see a full out lawsuit.


    oh and i love the Port Canaveral blockade statement lol im down for it!

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    Pirate of the Martires

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    Hi Plat and welcome to Tnet. Where are you located?

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    Welcome aboard TreasureNet Plat! and welcome to the fight. Our Representatives in Tallahassee and in Washington have lost their way. We need to use our power and vote them all out of office. Everyone can start by asking the questions of the candidates running for office their position on issues related to treasure hunting in general and specifically on the current laws in the State that you hunt. Find a candidate who supports your position and throw him or her your support.

    Tom

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    Quote Originally Posted by doubloonhunter
    can anyone give me the real truth to the current state of obtaining a exploratory lease for a underwater area.. is the state giving them? i know they say yes ye yes but is it selective.. meaning if they like u or not. they claim there is no moritorium but seems like there still is. no new leases being granted... i heard they were saying yes we grant leases but deny everyone assumingi they dont like ur archealogist or team or diver etc.. ? can anyone shed light.. thanks... the recent fisher wreck expansion site caught my eye... god i hate modern day government...we need a revolution in this country..isnt that what happen with england why we defected? england got greedy went beyond their reach of power..? we branced off. well im ready to branch off and make my own laws too lol
    I didnít know the Fishers expanded their lease area. If so in what direction?
    Researcher, Scuba diver and adventurer , always on the quest of discovering, recovering, conserving and exhibiting colonial-era artifacts and treasure.
    Each excavation site is always treated as an archaeological project.
    "Preserving Maritime History For Future Generations"


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    discovering & preserving our past for future generations

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    Re: florida shipwreck laws

    The Fishers have either sold their admiralty rights on the 1715 fleet to another party, or signed over the management rights to them. (see Terry's link on the 1715 subcontractor meeting post in "shipwrecks")

    Are you talking about their E-89 area to the north (which was actually "expanded" more than 12 years ago) or the extension into the south Power Plant area?

    Tom

 

 
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