Amra makes a wage??

[MadMarshall]

well I figured some of you may get a chuckle... Kinda reminds me of the kids running around in their crime fighters with a towel tied around their neck .. "I'm Superman I'm Superman" ... Sure they aren't bulletproof but its fun for them to pretend..
I suppose some never grow out of pretending..



I am down with the flu but watching this vid really made me laugh.. Like Saturday Night Live for prospecting.
I love the time taken to promote crappy recreational tools.
my favorite part was the end and the wording.. A MINER NEVER TELLS BUT WE DID MAKE WAGES..

Integrity and Truth and Prospecting/Mining knowledge are things that AMRA lack.. Pretty much just another B.S Non Profit preaching and teaching ignorance.. No different then the ignorant Enviromentlist non profits..

Shannon get to make wages all on a non profits dollar.. Well I mean if that's if you take AMRA at its word.. But regardless you donate you are just supporting SHANNON and Friends and their silly adventures in make believe.. But I suppose we just have to take Shannons word for it on the good they are doing. They have absolutely no Transparency at all. Hell even the Non profits of the Enviros share more then AMRA and how Donations are used...

 

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[Terry Soloman]

BINGO!

 

[63bkpkr]

Hey MM, No fluin around and get well soon!................63bkpkr

 

[wildminer]

nice wheelers and shiny gear, though.

 

[Tuolumne]

Made wages means enough fools donated

Miners, how much money did they spend in expenses?
Amra debit card vs micron cleanup
At least 500$ on gas just to get there then food and stuff but most likely Amra get by on others good will and hand outs

The first part of video 5 hours dredging gave them micron gold that takes me one bucket to get with only my hands and pans.

MM makes more in 5 minutes sniping

Mm videos real and not staged, working open land showing us all how to do it no donation needed!

He'll his videos have no talking and it's genuine




What does Amra taxes look like this year? I'd love to see how much money they wasted on debit card bank fees from pulling out cash on ATMs for their trips!! Haha

If it really made wages why stop?

Honestly I don't like to take out the magnetics until after I panned .
Sometimes the fine heavy help keep gold buried and from being bullied out when panning.

But I guess they don't use blue bowl or gold cube because they can't set it up or they need to feed the rose bushes!

 

[MadMarshall]

For years I have asked these individuals to take some responsibility and educate the people. How hard is it to teach people the skills? To give individuals a solid foundation to be successful at small scale mining.. To teach them. To make them aware on the laws and regulations. To provide educational services. To strengthen to preserve the art of prospecting and mining? To be good Stewards to our land and community.

The endless fundraising and raffles and money raising is making me sick. The fact that we have individuals who have absolutely no business educating anyone goin around claiming to represent the miner is utterly insane. AMRA political overtones are disgusting to see in a non profit. The fact that individuals like Robert Guardiola and Kevin Bell Shannon Poe and many others can go around and start org after org group after group is insane. The fact that these men can go around offering services and knowledge about mining is freaking absurd. These men exploit what people don't know for a living. And whats worse is they do their absolute best at keeping people stupid. These men don't want you to know your rights or even teach you how to be successful at mining. Why would they do that? then you wouldn't need people to represent you. You would know how to do it yourself.. Make no mistake AMRA are not lawyers they aint your congress men. They just allocate donations to lawyers shannons prospecting fund the casino wherever they feel like it.


Truthfully if the individuals who are running AMRA showed any kind of actual experience and knowledge in prospecting and mining I might be more apt to work on our differences.. But I know just as sure as my heart beats that Shannon and Robert and the others don't have a lick of experience in what it takes to be successful at mining or prospecting...

 

[MadMarshall]

I suppose its Taboo to speak against people that are supposedly on the same side. Members of a cause I believe in. But I find little difficulty when confronting these type of men.
Gentlemen I feel some of you may need to be reminded. Lets not forget that in 2012 AMRA was created and they supported MMAC and PLP.. They were wrong then and they are wrong now. There support of Roberts make believe Mining Districts is a testament to there lack of knowledge.. Quite Frankly AMRA has done nothing other then one Fundraiser after another.
I quote from the AMRA PAGE.. "MAKE A DONATION TO YOUR LEGAL FUND" ... LIES LIES LIES..



You know what disturbs me the most about AMRA is that they are exactly like the people they claim to help protect us from..

I encourage AMRA ROBERT and other to join the conversation.. They troll around I'm sure.. CHANGE MY MIND!!

Ill be out and about starting tomorrow .. But Ill be back Sunday evening or so..

 

[Tuolumne]

taboo only because so many feel ashamed and dont want to bring it up, many amra lurkers here things too taboo for them- miners mining miners, jumping claims, high grading your un-worked benches, its always another miner pushing you out too in the old days.

I like the free aspect of delta gold diggers "club" but if I was to support a org I would want to see all taxes, expenses and donations, write-offs and easy to find link on web site to show transparency. But they dont want to show you their take, or let you know what their working on thats so big- I say show me the $

Like the church down my street, they list every donation from previous collections in the back of each weeks new flyer, cant any group do that? How about a update on facebook on donations raised? Any goal in sight or is it blind toss of your clad into the wishing fountain? Ive got a lot of clad I can donate lol

Delta diggers has a great gold show, and now AMRA is doing its own show north of its home turf more in your area. I like shows that let us be involved in hunts and blasting but there is a razors edge of mining the miners there too

Someone should start a AMRA journal and keep track of all the visits to different club claim and report back just like they do those paydirt "rate of return" test vids i keep watching

 

[Terry Soloman]

These people are just paying for THEIR hobby, with YOUR money. Sad.

 

[Tuolumne]

I feel like the salt men of tibet, you have a chill spot to mine your mineral then some "club" where everyone in the group has rights to mine for free and sets up right next to you. Tragedy of the clubs/commons! Who wants that? if you dont speak my secret language then you aint in my mining district and get out hahahah

 

[MadMarshall]

These people are just paying for THEIR hobby, with YOUR money. Sad.

Truthfully Terry .. I think the same thing. I believe the before mentioned individuals use activism for there personal gain..


Does anyone know if Shannon have a paying Job? I mean other then activism.. Some say he a fulltime miner though I highly doubt it.. Truthfully I am inclined to believe he only survives of AMRA FUNDS.
Anyway maybe they will chime in and explain themselves and their actions.. Put our fears to rest..

 

[jog]

What have you guys done to benefit the miners lately?

 

[MadMarshall]

What have you guys done to benefit the miners lately?

Why is this the first thing that is brought up? what I do or others do is not really the topic. Now you can go about addressing the things brought up or I suppose you can play the blame game. Honestly I expected nothing less.

Myself I apply myself where I want to. If you don't know about it I don't know what to tell you. I can tell you that I do not charge people for my time. And I take pride in the areas I live and work.
When I take people out or make a video I aint trying to sell them something or hussle them; whether it be a crappy tool or propaganda in the hope of a donation. I do it for one reason to pass on what little I know in hopes they succeed.
I know who I am and some of you have even met me. And I know I am not the best suited for public. I live a fast hard fun life. I try to live on my terms. I pretty much do what I want. I am who I am. Like it love it hate it makes no difference to me..

But anyway I am just looking for some accountability from some of these individuals that put claim to educate and represent the miner.
For me I think there is a little more to mining then writing letters and propaganda. I also think that these individuals use activism for their personal gain at the exspense of the mining community..
Anyway they are more then welcome to prove my words wrong with proof or whatevers clever? anything?

 

[Clay Diggins]

I live a fast hard fun life. I try to live on my terms. I pretty much do what I want. I am who I am. Like it love it hate it makes no difference to me..

But anyway I am just looking for some accountability from some of these individuals that put claim to educate and represent the miner.

You know Victor I usually agree with most of what you post. On this subject we are mostly in agreement.

But there is always a disconnect in your point of view that keeps me from engaging you. It seems virtually everything you write has these big contradictions included and I think, with this post, you summed up the reason for my discomfort with your point of view.

On the one hand you demand freedom and an individual point of view that caters to no other man's ideas about how you live or act. Good for you. On the other hand you are demanding accountability from those you don't see eye to eye with. Very California of you.

I hope you will consider this as an attempt to engage you on a level just a bit higher than the one you obviously seek here. A certain integrity in your personal logic would encourage me to discuss these important matters with you. Until then I will just be nodding my head up and down and back and forth in confusion as to what you really expect me, and possibly other readers, to do with your writings.

I thank you for your continuing efforts and sharing. I understand you want to participate in creating a better world for yourself and others. Please continue, we need more men like you. But please consider what I have written in this post from time to time if you will.

Heavy Pans

 

[MadMarshall]

Clay..
Bein out and about affords one a lot of time to think. Maybe to much sometimes. I will reflect on your words.

 

[Bonaro]

Why is this the first thing that is brought up? what I do or others do is not really the topic. Now you can go about addressing the things brought up or I suppose you can play the blame game. Honestly I expected nothing less.

Myself I apply myself where I want to. If you don't know about it I don't know what to tell you. I can tell you that I do not charge people for my time. And I take pride in the areas I live and work.
When I take people out or make a video I aint trying to sell them something or hussle them; whether it be a crappy tool or propaganda in the hope of a donation. I do it for one reason to pass on what little I know in hopes they succeed.
I know who I am and some of you have even met me. And I know I am not the best suited for public. I live a fast hard fun life. I try to live on my terms. I pretty much do what I want. I am who I am. Like it love it hate it makes no difference to me..

But anyway I am just looking for some accountability from some of these individuals that put claim to educate and represent the miner.
For me I think there is a little more to mining then writing letters and propaganda. I also think that these individuals use activism for their personal gain at the exspense of the mining community..
Anyway they are more then welcome to prove my words wrong with proof or whatevers clever? anything?

Why shouldn't it be brought up and why is it not spot on topic? This is brought up every time because you tend to sit back and point out what all others are doing all wrong without putting any skin in the game yourself.
I have been on the front lines and it is quite amazing and frustrating to see those you hope to help come at you from all sides in an attempt to tear you down. This is one of the reasons I dont do it anymore and instead support with my wallet from behind. Regardless of your opinion, it takes money to make change. Always had and always will. Everyone has an opinion but unless you are willing to act on it you really have no right to stand against those who try.
You say you do things your way...well, yippee for you. What I dont see is you offering a better idea and gathering support for it. I see you complaining and obstructing and praising the free ride. This is not reality and it only works for you. I am not throwing support for any particular group but I do support action over armchair bickering....but like you said, you do what you want and it makes no difference to you.

 

[MadMarshall]

Bonaro. i think i am starting to understand clays point.
i caution you not to mistake my attitude for what i do
in regards to my activism . anyway i got a few days to give this some thought and figureout where i am failing.
but truthfully it would be nice to get some answers from these groups and individuals. truthfully idoubt they will grace us with thier presence.
ill be back around this weekend and see what goin on with this thread. until then i wish you all the best andhope you guys find some gold.

 

[Goldwasher]

I wish Robert G did do his mining district stuff differently. Per mining law, tradition, custom, modern law, he just isn't forming districts. There are several that feel the same way and speak up on different social media sources.
He either feels he is doing it right or is using it as a scheme. The thing is he won't get rich from a scheme.One thing I do know is he will engage you face to face on the subject. He spends hours of his time educating people on access to their claims and ettiquite. I disagree with some of what he is doing I encourage people to look deeper into districts and their validity before they "join" of "form" one. The Delta Gold Diggers ids a great group. Besides AMRA they have the most people I've met in person at the capitol when we are there trying to deal with this, the best way we can.

We peck on people like crazy here I see it as a hazing it may seem like there is lumping on...oh, well come to a thread like this and you better shed a lot of your personal opinion of others though by all means stand up for equality of law as applied.

The splitting of groups breeds lack of unity my biggest grip about offshoot groups. backing MMAC at anypoint to me does show a lack of insight to mining law and individual rights. On the surface it must have seemed like another tool to sit at a table on the east coast. Considering that Robert was pretty much kicked out of MMAC association as I understand it, he has gained a little respect from me on that front. I guess they disagreed on things good for Robert.

I do see some fellas trying to be leaders in a group of people who don't want to be told what to do at all. that sounds fun doesn't it.

I've stood behind the fight always, and at hearings and workshops I've stood next to and right up in front of these guys. I've had great conversations with them many ideas bounced around phone numbers exchanged etc.

Not, once was money ever spoke of or asked for. A lot of mutual respect for setting aside differences and joining together in an attempt to at least be heard and go on record in a situation that seems pre determined to many.

Then you get to hop on the intraweb and hear from people about what your not doing. You get to be called a thief or scoundrel by people you have never met.

Or have met and know to have their own faults and shades of pure double standards.

You can't do everything for free. I do things for free for fellow prospectors all the time.

Though owning a biz that sells things worth money to people who want to pay for it makes me a thief go figure.

I would have liked to look T Todd in the eye at the waterborad meeting. I don't know if he was even there. It would be the perfect chance to call a man out face to face.
Or heaven forbid have an actual conversation with someone in person and give them a chance to defend themselves in person.

We get to hear about how if you market your product your a thief, if you don't dig for your only income your recreational and don't deserve certain things or are ruining it for others even.

Just trying to figure out all these rules. So, are we supposed to be prospecting socialists? If you want to snipe you have to make your own pan and snuffer? Are we allowed to buy them as a beginner and once you decide to go pro you have to make your own, or is there an office I can go to for my free gear?

I'm pretty sure that a hookah is a hard thing to fabricate.

Sure is a lot of elitism being thrown around here. You can own a jewelery store brag and criticize, you can charge people to go to the desert because its on their bucket list.

Try to join up with like minded people to get some stuff done, that will help thousands who don't take part and you are literally the devil. And will be informed of you're evil ways by someone who doesn't even know you and talks out of both sides of their mouth...

It gets clearer with every one of these crusade threads that get started.

There is one good industry association Barry has shared their link several times. Other than that there has to be grassroots orgs. to deal with the anti grass roots orgs.

If your not there you don't have the full story. If your not gonna go and look someone in the eye and call them a thief and and user, your just being a keyboard warrior.
Seems like a pretty easy thing to do for some.

I have zero fear of looking anyone in the eye and speaking my piece. Some of you should try it sometime.

Shannon and AMRA may not do everything the way everyone wants but, the guy sure puts his feet on the ground and talks to the people causing and trying to fix issues directly every chance he gets.

Though I guess if you are recreational it doesn't really count. That someone stood up for you trying to make you an equal with the pro's. Shame on trying to make sure EVERYONE has the same rights.

Even when dredging was fully intact and people were out digging to a larger degree as a recreation with a smattering of larger small ops.
There were guys all full of themselves poo pooing on Clubs.

Nothing has changed it just gives them another point to harass people on.

 

[Jeff95531]

Why is this the first thing that is brought up? what I do or others do is not really the topic. Now you can go about addressing the things brought up or I suppose you can play the blame game. Honestly I expected nothing less.

Myself I apply myself where I want to. If you don't know about it I don't know what to tell you. I can tell you that I do not charge people for my time. And I take pride in the areas I live and work.
When I take people out or make a video I aint trying to sell them something or hussle them; whether it be a crappy tool or propaganda in the hope of a donation. I do it for one reason to pass on what little I know in hopes they succeed.
I know who I am and some of you have even met me. And I know I am not the best suited for public. I live a fast hard fun life. I try to live on my terms. I pretty much do what I want. I am who I am. Like it love it hate it makes no difference to me..

But anyway I am just looking for some accountability from some of these individuals that put claim to educate and represent the miner.
For me I think there is a little more to mining then writing letters and propaganda. I also think that these individuals use activism for their personal gain at the expense of the mining community..
Anyway they are more then welcome to prove my words wrong with proof or whatevers clever? anything?

Victor has helped me and done way for me than PLP, AMRA and the rest combined. Nuff said.

 

[Tuolumne]

I would have liked to look T Todd in the eye at the waterborad meeting. I don't know if he was even there. It would be the perfect chance to call a man out face to face.

yeah I was there sitting next to you texting everything at the meeting, dont know why you have hard on for me, you can explain your self better on here in writing than getting all heated trying to look up to me in the eye playground crap....I never jumped anyones claim or tried to help someone then turn around and file paperwork from under him then turn to here to get support from other members about your actions do we need to rehash your predicament/guilty conscious or what?

eye to eye huh? why dont you look into these eyes and think of that bryan adams song at the same time LOL ha ha

Amra and its club members high graded my claim with a bunch of people that got gold fever and saw unworked tertiary benches on my claim. I talked to shannon after the fact and he knew he was wrong, apologized and they went back and filled their hole only after I told them too. Looking into further you can see why Im skeptical of their non transparency or any club that doesnt list donations and expenses.
I go to civic meeting like you on my dime, reclaim my land and plant trees and such so Ive spend my own money making things better, its not just about taking out trash from your sluice and I help my neighbor miners first. On my miner commandments "I shall not covet neighbors unworked benches" is taken seriously, you can look over the fence for better claims but I help my neighbors if they need it, not stab them in the back and jump their diggings.

so what am I suppose to like all clubs when those fools are the ones who personally messed with me and my claim? yeah right

there are amra members on here, tnet, who along with their wife load up on claims, switch and ditch them when another one comes along, and pay $10 yearly on each one for small miners claim. Thats a growing problem and Im all about deregulation but hoarding claims by clubs and their members is a abused fact of the life of California mining. If you know their name you know their claim, just google your name and gold claim and see what pops up haha, that goes for everyone here.... Thats not my style- alot of the counties don't even charge property tax on those claims. My neighbor was going to give his claim to amra and then Id have all sorts of weirdos, amateurs and high graders wandering onto my side, thats the tradjedy of the clubs/commons, maybe you'd feel different if someone was drooling over your claim from his fence or had unknown people constantly prospecting next to you, I will pass on the clubs thank you very much.

keep on the thread topic, what do you think about amras new videos and affiliates? anyone else want to know the details of where money goes from a non profit or is that state secret? I guess people dont care these days about transparency as long as its a tax write off or if you donate a claim you can get access to better neighbors diggings for free........ does amra or any group actually plant trees or spend money or get grants for reclamation and reforestation? I thouhgt non profits are suppose to apply for grants and free money not just mine the miner......there is much work to do on all sides.

were all here for the shinny, they are many ways to get it, I am not losing sleep over it. Gold mining, everyone is in a rush and fever to get it but the gold never runs away......