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  1. #76
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    Re: History Channel Story On Jesse James, KGC, And Found Coins

    As crazy as it sounds they did leave money here in the ground. That's why Frank came back to find it. He did remove a few of the caches they hid decades before. Some of it has been found by others in the years to follow. I think the plan was to come back once Oklahoma was opened up for settlement and start a big ranch.
    http://okietreasurehunter.blogspot.com/

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    I believe the James' put a lot of money in the ground, more than they needed to live a good life. Jesse was a psychopath that robbed just to rob. I think he was doing it for the thrill and the infamy more than the money. Even without the pack train of gold they put down enough stuff for them to live comfortably on for quite a while, if not the rest of their lives but JJ continued to rob.

    There are several possibilities of where the gold was coming from and I don't doubt that there were several pack trains of gold and silver criss crossing Texas and Oklahoma. Would JJ steal a few hundred pounds of gold and hide it and then go try to steal something else? I believe he would just because that was his nature.
    It's not what you look at but what you see

  3. #78
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    It seems he had a drug and gambling problem as well.
    http://okietreasurehunter.blogspot.com/

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    Jesse James' Hidden Treasure to be rebroadcast today,Wednesday, February 17 @ 2:00 PM Eastern

    By the time Jesse James was killed in 1882, he'd stolen over a million and a half dollars according to some estimates--gold, coins and cash that could be worth over $50 million today. History often paints James as a clever outlaw who stole money to finance a lavish criminal lifestyle, a man whose sixteen year long crime spree came to a dramatic halt in 1882 when a fellow gang member betrayed him and shot him dead in the back of the head. But now, a treasure hunt may reveal a totally new story. Was Jesse really stealing for himself, or was he actually secreting away large sums of wealth, in order to finance one of the most clandestine secret societies in American history? Follow a team of treasure hunters searching for where he stashed his riches... and a new truth about Jesse James. Their discoveries may not only re-write the history of why Jesse stole, it could also raise new questions about his death.
    Rating: TVPG
    Running Time: 120 minutes

    History Board Forum on Jesse James' Hidden Treasure
    http://boards.history.com/topic/Hist...78786&start=60
    Knights of the Golden Circle Archive and Research
    Sons of Liberty and the Order of American Knights

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    Please, somebody make it stop!!!!!
    It's not what you look at but what you see

  6. #81
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    Re: History Channel Story On Jesse James, KGC, And Found Coins

    A real treasure find will be finding my tv remote to turn it to any channel BUT the history channel today,Wednesday, February 17 @ 2:00 PM Eastern.

  7. #82

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    Good lord!

    I just happened on a used book in a bookstore in Nashville the other day about this....Rebel Gold by Bob Brewer and Warren Getler.
    Figured this would be the place to read about this interesting subject.
    Found out I should not bother, due to 90% of these threads being nothing more than people arguing about it.

    Oh well. Life goes on.

  8. #83

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    Some of it is arguing and some of it is a good discussion. You have to take what you want out of it and make up your own mind. That's the whole reason for the discussion. Treasure hunting is far from an exact science, most of it is gut instinct based on a certain amount of real knowledge.

    You never know, you might enjoy Brewer's book, even though you won't learn a lot useful information from it.
    It's not what you look at but what you see

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    Re: History Channel Story On Jesse James, KGC, And Found Coins

    Quote Originally Posted by MalteseFalcon
    Good lord!

    I just happened on a used book in a bookstore in Nashville the other day about this....Rebel Gold by Bob Brewer and Warren Getler.
    Figured this would be the place to read about this interesting subject.
    Found out I should not bother, due to 90% of these threads being nothing more than people arguing about it.

    Oh well. Life goes on.

    MalteseFalcon: By all means, read this book. I assure you that it will not be a waste of your time. Like Alec said, we must all make up our own minds and form our own opinions about it but, first, one has to read it. When you do, I suggest you thoroughly read the excellent and extensive bibliography at the back of the book.
    ~Texas Jay
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

  10. #85
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    Just take the parts of the book that cover the "wolf" map, along with the other maps, with a grain of salt. There's plenty of incorrect or misleading information about them.
    http://okietreasurehunter.blogspot.com/

  11. #86

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    Re: History Channel Story On Jesse James, KGC, And Found Coins

    Quote Originally Posted by okietreasurehunter
    Just take the parts of the book that cover the "wolf" map, along with the other maps, with a grain of salt. There's plenty of incorrect or misleading information about them.
    So, Okie and Alex, do you have the insert for the copper map? I never hear anybody talk about the insert. Can't be decoded without it. Hadn't see it or heard anyone talk about it on the forums. Wasn't mentioned in Bob's book. I've seen it.
    Big Hoss

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    Sorry there Big Hoss but there is no "insert" to the copper map. It is a stand alone map and was found that way. If someone has shown you an "insert" for the map then they have made it up themselves or taken it from somewhere else. You'd be better off trying to find a clean and good copy of the map itself. I would assume you are aware that the map in Brewer's book is marked up a lot, with lines that are not original to the map? There are also several details in the map that don't show on most copies because they are copies of copies of copies....... and that would include the one Brewer has in his book and the copy he received to decipher.

    The details that haven't been seen by most people tell the story of the map and a lot about how to interpret it. And interpret is the word, not decode.

    It's not what you look at but what you see

  13. #88
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    Re: History Channel Story On Jesse James, KGC, And Found Coins

    Hoss I don't believe there was an insert to the copper map. It's a stand alone map. I can tell you that the ic, 3, hand, and other things that Bob claims are on the map are just not there.
    http://okietreasurehunter.blogspot.com/

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    Hey guys,

    Finally got some time at home to come back here.

    Yes, some is argument, some is discussion. But that is the norm when dealing with stuff like this. I have been away from T-net for about a year. Pretty much previously restricted my activities to the coin-roll hunting forum, and making attaboy commentary in Today's Finds, etc.

    There is a lot of good info in this thread. I had forgotten how intense "discussions" could get here.

    When I posted the above, I was about 2/3 of the way through the book (Rebel Gold). Freaked me out to see TreasureNet mentioned in the last chapter, and the name Hillbilly Bob is someone I realized I had seen around here!

    I found the book fascinating! For a variety of reasons. How fortunate Bob was to grow up where and when he did!

    To be in the midst of such a part of our history is really something.

    As usual, the area of treasure hunting is fraught with all manner of cons, scams, mistrust, jealousy, misinformation, etc.
    But I know I am preaching to the choir here, lol.

    One reason it sort of freaked me out also is the connection I have to the KGC, though it is VERY remote.

    I read the stuff about Albert Pike with great interest, as he was a commander of Indian forces at the Battle Of Pea Ridge.

    I do have a vested interest in the Civil War, and in Arkansas in particular, as I too have an unsolved mystery in my family involving the Civil War in Arkansas, but unfortunately it does not involve cast-iron cauldrons of gold buried in the woods, lol.

    My 3X-Great-Grandfather was killed at the Battle of Pea Ridge fighting for the South. The problem is that there is no record of him in any muster roll anywhere. He joined a unit in the vicinity of Lincoln County, AR (just south of Pine Bluff), and according to one of my dad's great aunts (whom he asked about this in the late 50's/early 60's) he was killed at that battle. My Dad has tried to find out what happened to him since the late 50's, without success, and I took up the effort to a small degree with the advent of the internet and the slow publishing of records and info on the net ever since. For all I know, my ancestor may never have seen battle, as the logistical planning for Elkhorn Tavern/Pea Ridge was terrible, and many Confederate soldiers died from illness before the battle even began. My ancestor had 4 brothers, one of whom was killed at Shiloh fighting for the South, and another was wounded at Chickamauga and died from his injuries a couple of years later, another was drafted or joined the Union forces in 1863, and the last one escaped serving altogether, and went to Kansas for the duration of the war.
    I was even born in Fayetteville, though I grew up elsewhere.

    It is a fascinating subject. I drive by the street where Frank James lived in Nashville every day going to and from work, and I know the exact street where Jesse lived...this would have been when they were working at the barrel factory here. And yes, I saw the show on History Channel recently, which again, was fascinating, as the KGC is something not known to the general public. Not like those of us interested in TH'ing, anyway.

    I live out in the country, but have never seen any KGC treasure signs.

    As far as what in the book is real, and what is not, I am actually not too concerned with worrying about that. Some people will not believe anything about Bob's story. Others will believe it all. As I am not hunting for KGC treasure, it is not necessary for the info I read on this subject to be accurate. Aside from that, if I were writing a book like that, I would deliberately be vague on a lot of stuff anyway.
    If nothing else, claiming to have found a treasure can attract attention from the Infernal Revenooer Disservice.

    It is enough for me to know the KGC WAS real, and they DID hide caches. If they had not, none would have been found by people following clues left by them.

    I will check into some of the the books you guys mentioned in this thread. Though right now I have a pile of books I am trying to get through first (used bookstore opened in the past couple of years, and I buy several each week, but take a month or more to read one, so I am way behind, lol).

    Thanks for the posts and comments.

    Now, get back to "discussing".

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    Re: History Channel Story On Jesse James, KGC, And Found Coins

    published July 28. 1864

    THE CONSPIRACY.;
    PROPOSED NORTHWESTERN CONFEDERACY
    The Order of "American Knights."
    SECRET DOINGS OF NORTHEIM TRAITORS.
    The Name of Vallandigham and Many Others
    Connected with the Affair.
    The "Order of American Knights."
    Large Arrival of Prisoners.
    Guerrillas in Kentucky.
    Welland Canal Navigation Suspended.
    Weather at St. Johns, N.F.



    ST. LOUIS, Thursday, July 28.

    The Democrat publishes a long account of the conspiracy
    for the erection of a Northwestern Confederacy,
    reported a few days since. The organization
    engaged in this conspiracy to known as the
    "Order of American Knights,"
    and its real object is
    to embarrass the Government
    in the conduct of the war,
    and to overthrow the Government,
    if necessary for the supremacy of the Order.
    Its professions and purposes are different in
    different States,
    proclaiming a war policy in New-York,
    Pennsylvania, New-Jersey and other Eastern States,
    while in the West it is for peace.
    The Order is of Southern origin,
    being erected on the ruins of the
    Knights of the Golden Circle.
    The rebel Gen. STERLING PRICE
    is Supreme Commander. VALLANDIGHAM,
    while in Richmond, was made Supreme
    Commander of the Northern section, and a
    conspiracy was entered into between him
    and the rebel authorities to divide the East
    and West, thus to aid the Southern rebellion.
    VALLANDIGHAM's time in Canada was
    principally spent in furthering this scheme.
    He had a conference with some of the
    leading spirits in the North soon after his
    arrival in Canada, and arranged for the
    establishment of the Order throughout
    the loyal States. The names of all who
    visited him at the Clifton House are
    known to the Government,
    among whom were WM.B. REED,
    of Philadelphia; PENDLETON and
    PUGH, of Ohio KRIBBEN, of St. Louis,
    and STOREY and MERRICK, of Chicago,
    are published. The result of this
    conference was also known to the
    Government about the 1st of January.

    Mr. VALLANDIGHAM
    issued an address to the Lodges
    in the loyal States, in which he
    calls upon the members to renew their vows.
    He says the time is fast approaching
    which will test their sincerity.
    He declares that the prosecution
    of the war is a violation of the rights
    of the States, and that
    President LINCOLN
    is a tyrant and usurper:

    A meeting of the Grand Commanders
    of the different States was held in the
    City of New-York, on the 22d day
    of February, for the purpose
    of organizing an out-break on
    the 10th of March, the day fixed
    for the draft to take place
    , but no definite plan was agreed upon.

    The names of these conspirators are also known.

    The Commanders had a
    conversation with the Supreme
    Commander at Windsor, Canada,
    early in April, for general consultation.

    Among those in attendance at this conference
    were the Grand Commander in New-York;
    CHARLES L. HUNT, of St. Louis,
    and LAFAYETTE DEALIN, of Indiana.

    The programme adopted at this
    meeting was that Mr. VALLANDIGHAM
    should represent his district in Ohio
    in the National Democratic Convention
    to be held in the City of Chicago.

    Mr. VALLANDIGHAM, in the National
    Democratic Convention,
    was to proclaim the doctrines of the
    Order of the American Knights, namely:

    Pronounce the existing Administration
    of the Government a power usurped,
    which the people had a right to expel
    by force if necessary -- in fact,
    to inaugurate a rebellion in the North,
    in which he was to be supported by the Order.

    Each Grand Commander was to have fully armed
    and equipped a Body Guard at the National Convention
    in Chicago for the defence of Mr. VALLANDIGHAM.

    This, it was thought, would precipitate
    the people of the free States into an
    armed conflict, which was to be the
    signal for the Knights of the American Order
    to unite against the lawful authorities,
    and kill or capture the civil and military authorities.

    The Knights were then to seize the arsenals,
    arms and public property of all kinds,
    and proclaim the Government overthrown.

    There is most convincing evidence
    of the truthfulness of this statement.

    The reason of Mr. VALLANDIGHAM's
    sudden return to Ohio was the fear
    of his being defeated as a delegate
    to the National Democratic Convention
    to be held at Chicago,
    and it was only by his presence
    in the State that his election as a delegate
    was secured.

    The numerical strength of
    the Knights of the American Order is over half a million.

    One hundred and fifty thousand
    of this number are armed and organized.

    The order in New-York is called the
    "MCCLELLAN Minute Men," numbering over
    two hundred thousand men.

    The Grand Commander in Missouri is
    CHARLES L. HUNT, a nephew of JAMES H. LUCAS,
    and for many years the Belgian Consul.

    The Deputy Grand Commander in this city
    is CHARLES E. DUNN.

    An officer in St. Louis has a long
    list of the names of the members of the Order,
    together with all information concerning the whole scheme.

    The whole affair has been thoroughly
    brought to light, and the proof of it is
    in the hands of the authorities at Washington,
    and will be given to the public at the proper time.

    ST. LOUIS, Thursday, July 28.

    The statements contained in the dispatch of this morning,
    concerning the existence and purposes of the
    "Order of American Knights,"
    are based upon very voluminous testimony,
    taken during several months past by the
    Provost-Marshal-General of the Department of Missouri.

    LOUISVILLE, Thursday, July 28.

    One thousand and twenty-five rebel prisoners,
    including sixty-four commissioned officers,
    arrived at Nashville this morning.
    They were captured near Atlanta,
    in the battles from the 19th to the 22d instant,
    and comprise troops from nearly all the Southern States.
    Among the officers are a Colonel,
    a Lieutenant-Colonel and a Major.
    The balance are subordinate officers.

    CLARKSVILLE, Tenn., Thursday, July 28.

    Parties of rebel cavalry are crossing
    the Cumberland and making their
    way into Kentucky. Yesterday 125
    crossed a few miles above here, under
    Col. JOHNSON. Another smaller party
    crossed below here. They were all armed
    and mounted, and had regular officers.

    THOROLD, C.W., Thursday, July 28.

    About 2 o'clock this morning, a propeller,
    bound up the Welland Canal,
    carried away four gates of Lock No. 21.
    The water drove her against Lock No. 20,
    breaking one of its gates.
    The steamer Moffat, leaving Lock No. 22
    at the time, broke her back in the mitre.
    It will take at least three days to repair the damages.

    ST. JOHNS, N.F., Thursday, July 28 -- 10 A.M.

    Weather fine and clear. Wind West. Thermometer 65


    there are many articles here


    http://query.nytimes.com/search/quer...=30&submit.y=9

 

 
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