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  1. #1
    fr
    Apr 2010
    6

    What a disapointing test...

    Hello,

    Here is a link to http://www.detectortest.info/index.html . Numerous detectors are tested by experienced users. The tests showed are really bad for the Garrett ACE 250. (double click on the photo to maximise)




    The methode looks clever, but the results are far away all the good reviews available around the web on that detector...

    What about my ACE 250 then ?

    Regards
    RaphaŽl

  2. #2
    us
    DFCA

    Dec 2006
    Kansas
    Minelab E-trac
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    Re: What a disapointing test...

    anybody that has used an Ace 250, could tell you that test is bogus. I've personally seen things pulled up with an 250 that you wouldn't believe. from the looks of the tests, this guy doesn't spend much time with each one. he's got a garden that he knows where everything is, who knows where, and does a quick scan. you have to practice with a machine to learn what it's telling you

  3. #3
    Charter Member
    CANE FIELD BANDITS and IRON BRIGADE MEMBER

    Jun 2006
    Moonlight and Magnolias
    Fisher F75, Fisher 1266-X and Tesoro Silver ĶMax
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    Honorable Mentions (1)

    Re: What a disapointing test...

    I agree to a certain extent with Sniffer, but some of these items are buried on the deep side for most detector's range. 7-8 inches on a tiny hammered is pretty darned deep. I think the more important test for a European detector is whether it can handle the iron. I would imagine that the iron is much worse there than it is here--but probably not the amount of Big iron that we experience in mid-to-late 1800s sites here.

    Each detector has its strengths and its weaknesses. I too have seen many amazing things dug by an Ace 250--and I also agree that the machine holds its own quite well against the majority of other models...but I also recognize the fact that these great and amazing things were dug in places that were virgin sites, with little or no competition. So I don't know how it would do in other environments. The user of this Ace 250 recently confided in me that he Much prefers Tesoros. He used a Cibola once and may not ever go back (and he had hunted with his Ace for 3 years solid).


    It also depends on the user. I can't get a decent beep out of a Very deep good find sometimes with my 1266, but I know to dig it because I have used the machine for 18 years. It would take a lifetime to become that familiar with that many machines.

    So one is stuck with basic air tests or head to head comparisons from folks who own (and Use!) two different models.


    Regards,


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  4. #4
    mts
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    us
    May 2009
    Tesoro Vaquero, Tesoro Silver ĶMax, BH Tracker IV, Garrett ProPointer
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    Re: What a disapointing test...

    I agree with BuckleBoy that iron is probably a major issue with all of these tests. I haven't been in this hobby for very long but I'm already finding that the ability to pick out targets in heavy iron/trash is a key feature of the better detectors. It's not enough to just be able to find a deep item that is sitting all by itself. The majority of items that are left to be found are also hidden next to junk (especially in hunted out parks). I think this is where the Ace 250 starts to lose ground to detectors like the Minelabs (which you'll notice from the site do very well in their tests).

    But don't despair. Detectors like the Whites DFX also do very badly on their tests despite being fairly expensive detectors. Different detectors do better in different environments. You can't take a coin machine and expect it to do well finding deep relics in trashy areas. The Ace "is what it is" which is an inexpensive detector that does well on coins in certain environments. As such it is still a good buy if that is what you are looking for.

  5. #5
    Charter Member
    us
    Mar 2003
    Dodge City Kansas
    Deus, E-Trac, AT Pro, DFX
    635
    27 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: What a disapointing test...

    I really have some doubts about these results. I've used several of the detectors listed, and in iron an infested environment, and saw nothing like the stated results. Looks to be quite bias to me.
    Current: E-Trac, AT Pro, DFX
    Past few years: XP Deus, CTX 3030, V3i, MXT, XLT, Eagle Spectrum, X-Terra 70, SE Pro, Sovereign GT, F4, F75 LTD, MH CXIII, ACE 250, Omega 8000

  6. #6

    Nov 2003
    Abbotsford/Okanagan B.C., CANADA!
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    Re: What a disapointing test...

    The methodology is pure garbage in those tests. Very little mention (or none) about the settings used for each detector or the coils. ..Willy.

  7. #7
    us
    Jan 2007
    Mesquite Texas
    MXT F2
    1,245
    7 times

    Re: What a disapointing test...

    To many variables. Test one, the ace 250 can't pick up a 4.5 gram silver ring at 3.94"? Says ground iron polluted with small iron discriminated out. It says each individual tested thier machine, well my discriminating out small iron may not be the same as the next guy. What coils were used. Way to many variables.



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  8. #8
    us
    Jan 2009
    E-trac, Excal, ACE 250 for my son
    1,668
    35 times
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    Re: What a disapointing test...

    I love my little yellow fellow!
    Let's keep it positive

  9. #9
    us
    "Is that a Geiger Counter?"

    Feb 2006
    South Central Upstate NY in the foothills of the headlands
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    Re: What a disapointing test...

    Wow! The F75 only missed one on that list! The Minelab SE also (though in one mode it hit everything).

    The test looks OK to me.
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  10. #10
    us
    Aug 2008
    Under the Trees
    252
    11 times

    Re: What a disapointing test...

    The test looks OK to me.


    Me too. Denial is not a river at all.

  11. #11
    us
    Supreme Chancellor

    Oct 2005
    High Five!
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    Re: What a disapointing test...

    In comparison to higher end machines, the 250 is a toy. That's just how it is. It's nice to begin with to see if you will enjoy the hobby. But if you show up in a park around here with that thing and you are not a beginner, you will get laughed at.

  12. #12
    Charter Member
    us
    Mar 2003
    Dodge City Kansas
    Deus, E-Trac, AT Pro, DFX
    635
    27 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: What a disapointing test...

    WOW, even the entry level European made detectors out perform the high end American made detectors.

    I sure need to sell my DFX because it can't pick up a 4.5 gram silver ring at 3.94 inches. Thats just plain bogus information.
    Current: E-Trac, AT Pro, DFX
    Past few years: XP Deus, CTX 3030, V3i, MXT, XLT, Eagle Spectrum, X-Terra 70, SE Pro, Sovereign GT, F4, F75 LTD, MH CXIII, ACE 250, Omega 8000

  13. #13
    us
    Aug 2008
    Under the Trees
    252
    11 times

    Re: What a disapointing test...

    WOW, even the entry level European made detectors out perform the high end American made detectors.
    So do their cars...

    Maybe they should do a clad amongst wood chips test




  14. #14
    us
    Bibliophile Extraordinaire

    Apr 2010
    North Alabama
    Discovery 1100, Pioneer 101
    95

    Re: What a disapointing test...

    Bologna....each metal detector works differently for each person.
    For example...you drive a SUV and your buddy drives a mini sports car.
    You decide to drive your friends sports car...your going to feel uncomfortable and odd until you can work all the gadgets and controls. Same with a MD.

    I have a BH Discovery 1100 and a Pioneer 101. What does that say about mine?

    These are opinions, there really aren't any scientific facts on which MD is better than another.
    People can say there are all day long....nope.
    You ask which is better and you get a score of answers.


    Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

  15. #15
    us
    Aug 2008
    Under the Trees
    252
    11 times

    Re: What a disapointing test...

    I have a BH Discovery 1100 and a Pioneer 101. What does that say about mine?
    I could take you to hundreds of places where these two would be just useless. After about 30 minutes of you not even hearing a signal, you'd be asking to for us to take you to a park with woodchips under the swingset. Seriously, I wouldn't let my kids hunt with those. Sorry.

    People hate the truth! And the truth happens to be that in a challenging environment (such as in the those tests) many of the popular detectors fall flat.

 

 
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