Paleo crescent knife? I googled that and saw some very very simiilar to this ...?

[grobb28]

 

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[grobb28]

Wow that's a good eye digger! Near twins.

Yeah they are twins ... Very very similar where did u find that at ? What state. .. Mine was found in ok

 

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[old digger]

If you will look at my photo's, you will see that it has been worked on both sides. That in layman's terms is called ''biface''. If it was a spalled flake and was flaked only on one side, then it would be considered a ''uniface''.
Quite a few have responded on your thread on what this item is:



We are all trying to help you identify and clarify what you have found. There is no way of knowing what the piece looked like before it was broke. ''Assuming'' is not Knowing!

 

[grobb28]

If you will look at my photo's, you will see that it has been worked on both sides. That in layman's terms is called ''biface''. If it was a spalled flake and was flaked only on one side, then it would be considered a ''uniface''.
Quite a few have responded on your thread on what this item is:

<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=757257"/>

We are all trying to help you identify and clarify what you have found. There is no way of knowing what the piece looked like before it was broke. ''Assuming'' is not Knowing!

Were most bifaces fairly skinny ? Like this

 

[NC field hunter]

I think digger just gave us all a good lesson with his last sentence.

 

[grobb28]

If you will look at my photo's, you will see that it has been worked on both sides. That in layman's terms is called ''biface''. If it was a spalled flake and was flaked only on one side, then it would be considered a ''uniface''.
Quite a few have responded on your thread on what this item is:

<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=757257"/>

We are all trying to help you identify and clarify what you have found. There is no way of knowing what the piece looked like before it was broke. ''Assuming'' is not Knowing!

Compared



Just seems that if it wasn't broke .. Assuming it is broke .. That too me it would have been huge .. But not sure just a thought a diff viewpoint .. I agree with everything you have said just trying to throw diff views ...

 

[Get-the-point]

Hey grobb just like what digger and I both said we are just trying to give you possible logical replies on what it could have been. I'll stick to what I thought it could be. As I said because they are broke we can only speculate what they were. Oh and dovetails have been found all the way down to Texas so I'm sure the finders would be happy to know they don't exist down there. As someone has suggested.

 

[grobb28]

Right... oh..and grobb.. I forgive you for calling me a Richard.

When did I do that ?

 

[grobb28]

When did I do that ?

I'm glad im forgiven tho !

 

[Get-the-point]

Both Neosho knives and Wilson variants have been mistaken for dovetail in Texas.

I enjoy your pearls of wisdom. Let's see what all we have learned from you: Clovis and Folsom are intentionally heat-treated and nobody has ever given a fake artifact to anyone else..and your avatar is authentic. Please, continue on!

With your pearls of wisdom what have you contributed....oh that is right nothing but misinformation. Hey champ why don't you go and read the links I posted in the thread you gave up on after you thought you had one the debate. There is a couple of interesting comments about heat treating, when it started and also Clovis peoples use of it. You are so busy spending your time trying to discredit me when it is you that is spewing out non fact based rhetoric. Everything I have stated was fact and I even provided the links to prove it yet everytime you are proven wrong you run like a baby to the next post and try and discredit someone else. Again you simple pathetic person my avatar was papered by two of the best and my replies have been validated with links to prove yet you just will not humble up. Please leave the forum....you are right you childish antics are not tolerated. I know anyone who lacks the intelligence to acknowledge when they are wrong lacks the ability to fit in anywhere. Not to mention you are just antagonizing people. It actually is pathetic! So let me sum it up for you.... You were wrong with your reply on heat treating, you were wrong with you call on my avatar,you were wrong with your call on how long heat treating has been taking place, you were wrong with doves being found as far south as Texas and although rare they have been found. So what have you been right about? You called a cache river sub-type aka kessel or Howard county which on my opinion does not even fit for a subtype. I would think the relation would be to graham cave. Yes the notches were punched out like a cache river but the bases tell another story. Two of those pieces look like Howard county points but the one is undeniably graham cave yet you won't even admit it, or even talk about it....nope I'm just wrong. Start providing facts before you pop off at the mouth because so far all you have done is that. While i have proven my point several times to you by providing those facts for you. Yet you won't even read them. That any day of the week is ignorance to the facts. Grow up or get lost!

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[Charl]

Going to have to stick to my call. I still think it is a hoe. The tip shows usage wear and I'm just not seeing the bi face knife on this one. The way it is bladed is just like a hoe. This would be a diamond shape if whole is what I'm assuming Aleisters and just plain are saying? Only one type and at first stage it could possibly be close, that would be a harahey knife. This has the form of a hoes business end.

Well, a hoe is a biface too, and it certainly could be the bit....

 

[Get-the-point]

While being quite a mouthful... There's actually 1 little thing I would like to add.... I'm willing to bet This person has been banned From this site in the past... And if still using The same IP address It will get caught on to eventually.

I agree...he is angry he doesn't fit in when all you have to do is just validate the facts, yet he keeps calling out my avatar, against the rules but I don't care it had a Davis and Williams coa with it so his comments mean nothing to me. He has the I'm right and everyone else is wrong attitude and then attacks you, me and others and he is new here. He probably is a member who was banned and I hope the mods can trace it. This type of BS is not tolerated. Gator check out that link it is a great read on Clovis culture.... Even discusses how they used heat treating in the reduction process.......lol

 

[grobb28]

I agree...he is angry he doesn't fit in when all you have to do is just validate the facts, yet he keeps calling out my avatar, against the rules but I don't care it had a Davis and Williams coa with it so his comments mean nothing to me. He has the I'm right and everyone else is wrong attitude and then attacks you, me and others and he is new here. He probably is a member who was banned and I hope the mods can trace it. This type of BS is not tolerated. Gator check out that link it is a great read on Clovis culture.... Even discusses how they used heat treating in the reduction process.......lol

Please get off my thread !!!? You guys are worse than women

 

[Charl]

Were most bifaces fairly skinny ? Like this

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grobb, biracial simply means it's flaked on two sides. Arrowheads, knives, hoes, etc., all, if they are flaked and not ground into shape, begin their life as bifacial performs. Performs are usually thick and as the desired tool approaches it's finished shape, it should be nice and thin, or at least thin enough to use. The long piece you show above is unifacial, only flaked on one face. The broke piece is bifacial. What it was before it broke we can only deduce. There really isn't a way to know for sure. If GTP had the piece in hand, he could better judge the wear against known hoes, perhaps. It looks broken. And someone could have used the edge after whatever it was broke. And it also could be a piece that broke in manufacture.

 

[RockinIdaho]

Cresent! . Thumb scraper? I dont see a flat broken edge.
And not too sure about a broken tip of anything!