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    Arizona has dozens of stories where a cash box was stolen from a stagecoach or train. A posse pursued and killed the robbers, but the loot was never found.

    Quote Originally Posted by n2mini View Post
    I agree which is why I think it had already been found either at 10-20 feet or else where on the island. Side shaft up for easier retrieval. and or possibly in the swamp area... I'm not sure I believe in the Money Pit Stone or not other then we keep hearing stories of people who claimed to have seen it... Sure doesn't mean it was from the treasure hiders but I think there was a stone of some sort..
    In one episode, two elderly galls claimed their ancestors found three treasure chests and each of the three kept one. They also presented a small golden cross that was allegedly part of the treasure. It is possible that the Oak Island team is chasing a treasure that's already been found. There are lots of reasons to NOT report a treare find.

    I also think it's very implausible that there is a room with a concrete ceiling 100 feet down. It's probably a rock slab. The water trap was too elaborate to have been created hundreds of years ago. A 10 or 20-foot pit near a landmark would have sufficed.
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    There was a reason for the 100 ft. shaft which happened to be every 10 ft in 10 sections, why do you think Washington, D.C. was laid out 10 miles by 10 miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    There was a reason for the 100 ft. shaft which happened to be every 10 ft in 10 sections, why do you think Washington, D.C. was laid out 10 miles by 10 miles.
    Premise hinges on the assumption that there was, in fact, a 100' shaft dug on Oak Island. No evidence of this original 'depositors shaft' has been demonstrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    There was a reason for the 100 ft. shaft which happened to be every 10 ft in 10 sections, why do you think Washington, D.C. was laid out 10 miles by 10 miles.
    WHY? Could be, maybe it was decreed in a secret code written 400 years ago embedded in the works of Shakespeare which deciphered by L'Enfant?
    The layout of Washington D C shows Freemason L'Enfant's fondness for connect the dots game.
    Within the 10 X 10 square one can connect dots to discover stars, a moon, and owl, and several other designs.
    L'Enfant later designed the house (which was never completed) of Robert Morris Jr, signer of the DOI, and embedded in the blueprints was a map to what is alluded to be the Beale treasure.
    While shopping at a yard sale, a friend of Lynchburg's mayor at that time, Robert Morriss, bought the set of L'Enfant's Morris blueprints and presented them to Lynchburg Mayor Morris as a gift.
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    Why would buried treasure be abandoned... why would someone bury treasure and then not come back an get it
    It took a team to bury it, it would take a similar group of men (albeit smaller in number) to retrieve it.

    If one was in prison, or without a ship anymore, or ill/on-deaths bed… it’s too late then to try to assemble a team to go back and get it.

    The reason why Daniel McGinnis got curious was due to noticing the suspicious activity on Oak Island. The information about the treasure had apparently leaked out – that it had been abandoned – and anyone/everyone with a ship was looking for where it may have been buried. When McGinnis saw those lanterns… those searchers may already of been to numerous shores & islands looking for the treasure. So, the treasure may not have been placed on Oak Island specifically… but McGinnis saw them searching on OI and assumed something had to be there; not realizing that OI was one of many places being scoured for the loot.

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    I can just see all of those poor dirt farmers hard at work digging that hole and laughing in thought of the generations ahead who will surely associate it with treasure. "Man, this is going to be the best prank we've ever played!"
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    Another Theory

    Important to keep in mind: 1200 years ago, the Atlantic Ocean would have been at least 12 feet/3.65 meters lower than today, and Mahone Bay shorelines would have been significantly further out, perhaps as much as 50-feet/15.25-meters, to about 100-feet/30.5-meters, or more.

    An obvious example of the erosion and rising sea, is to be found at Westhaver's Island, which is number 4 across from the Mader's Cove Clay-Shaft. In the 1750's, when the area was plotted for properties that could be acquired by immigrants, Westerhaver's Island was large enough to have had a small farm, as well as a lighthouse and a house for the light-keeper's family. Now, that island is about the size of a triple garage.


    Oak Island Unearthed - exploring the Mayan / Aztec connection (Good article, check it out)

    If the water level was much lower, it would be possible underground caverns were dry and used by people around 500-1000 AD.
    Money pit could have been a ventilation shaft.
    One theory is the Aztec, riding the Golf stream, had been mining for gold & clay and may have later been used to hide Montezuma's body and treasure when Mexico was invaded.

    So instead of Seven must Die, It could be "Montezuma's Revenge."

    Your Bud Aurum
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    A bunch of Montezuma's Revenge hereabouts for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Aurum View Post
    Important to keep in mind: 1200 years ago, the Atlantic Ocean would have been at least 12 feet/3.65 meters lower than today, and Mahone Bay shorelines would have been significantly further out, perhaps as much as 50-feet/15.25-meters, to about 100-feet/30.5-meters, or more.

    An obvious example of the erosion and rising sea, is to be found at Westhaver's Island, which is number 4 across from the Mader's Cove Clay-Shaft. In the 1750's, when the area was plotted for properties that could be acquired by immigrants, Westerhaver's Island was large enough to have had a small farm, as well as a lighthouse and a house for the light-keeper's family. Now, that island is about the size of a triple garage.


    Oak Island Unearthed - exploring the Mayan / Aztec connection (Good article, check it out)

    If the water level was much lower, it would be possible underground caverns were dry and used by people around 500-1000 AD.
    Money pit could have been a ventilation shaft.
    One theory is the Aztec, riding the Golf stream, had been mining for gold & clay and may have later been used to hide Montezuma's body and treasure when Mexico was invaded.

    So instead of Seven must Die, It could be "Montezuma's Revenge."

    Your Bud Aurum
    Basically explains the need for a hole on hoax island...diarrhea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Aurum View Post
    Important to keep in mind: 1200 years ago, the Atlantic Ocean would have been at least 12 feet/3.65 meters lower than today, and Mahone Bay shorelines would have been significantly further out, perhaps as much as 50-feet/15.25-meters, to about 100-feet/30.5-meters, or more.

    An obvious example of the erosion and rising sea, is to be found at Westhaver's Island, which is number 4 across from the Mader's Cove Clay-Shaft. In the 1750's, when the area was plotted for properties that could be acquired by immigrants, Westerhaver's Island was large enough to have had a small farm, as well as a lighthouse and a house for the light-keeper's family. Now, that island is about the size of a triple garage.


    Oak Island Unearthed - exploring the Mayan / Aztec connection (Good article, check it out)

    If the water level was much lower, it would be possible underground caverns were dry and used by people around 500-1000 AD.
    Money pit could have been a ventilation shaft.
    One theory is the Aztec, riding the Golf stream, had been mining for gold & clay and may have later been used to hide Montezuma's body and treasure when Mexico was invaded.

    So instead of Seven must Die, It could be "Montezuma's Revenge."

    Your Bud Aurum
    Basically explains the need for a hole on hoax island...diarrhea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack Wonder View Post
    Basically explains the need for a hole on hoax island...diarrhea...
    Now that's a theory one can run with!
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    There would be one man on a ship, maybe two that could have sailed back to Oak island. The Navigator/Pilot and possibly the Captain.

    At that time frame they would only have latitude readings and possibly not too accurate.
    "The finding of a great treasure from the days of the Spanish Main is not the cherished dream of only the United States and Florida citizens; countless peoples from other lands have shared such thoughts. It would amaze and surprise most citizens of this country, when their dream, at the greatest of costs, was realized, the agents of respective governments would, on the most flimsy grounds, lay claim to the treasure."
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    "Changes in latitude, changes in attitude"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Aurum View Post
    Important to keep in mind: 1200 years ago, the Atlantic Ocean would have been at least 12 feet/3.65 meters lower than today, and Mahone Bay shorelines would have been significantly further out, perhaps as much as 50-feet/15.25-meters, to about 100-feet/30.5-meters, or more.

    An obvious example of the erosion and rising sea, is to be found at Westhaver's Island, which is number 4 across from the Mader's Cove Clay-Shaft. In the 1750's, when the area was plotted for properties that could be acquired by immigrants, Westerhaver's Island was large enough to have had a small farm, as well as a lighthouse and a house for the light-keeper's family. Now, that island is about the size of a triple garage.


    Oak Island Unearthed - exploring the Mayan / Aztec connection (Good article, check it out)

    If the water level was much lower, it would be possible underground caverns were dry and used by people around 500-1000 AD.
    Money pit could have been a ventilation shaft.
    One theory is the Aztec, riding the Golf stream, had been mining for gold & clay and may have later been used to hide Montezuma's body and treasure when Mexico was invaded.

    So instead of Seven must Die, It could be "Montezuma's Revenge."

    Your Bud Aurum
    A version of this theory was offered on an earlier season by the Laginas. If I remember correctly the dude claimed the treasure (or was it body - Don't remember) was buried somewhere under Nolans cross.

    It is pretty difficult to believe that the Aztecs would of sailed all the way up North America to OI and picked this small island to bury their dead ruler.

    Thanks for the theory Bud will read the referenced article when I get a chance...
    Last edited by gazzahk; Mar 14, 2018 at 07:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Au_Dreamers View Post
    There would be one man on a ship, maybe two that could have sailed back to Oak island. The Navigator/Pilot and possibly the Captain.

    At that time frame they would only have latitude readings and possibly not too accurate.
    That's what I have been saying. There was no worry about anyone who helped on any project on oak island being able to come back to get it assuming they got back on the boat. Sure they may have talked and told people but could not come back to get it ontheir own..
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