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    Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    I am in Italy now, and after a week of learning my new Tesoro Vaquero, (still not there yet), and finding handful of whatsits, a few copper 19th century coins, a MARTINI VERMOUTH sign, and a good pocket knife, I finally got what I was looking for; an ancient coin. MY FIRST!!!! Stoked is not the word. Can Crusader remember that far back to his first of gazillions?

    It was one inch deep or less, and no more than three feet from the front of my house, under a rock.
    I didn't want to hunt here as wifey would have some gnarly words about her lawn and garden getting messed up with my hobby. But, I was given a baby sitting job to watch the neighbor's dog for a few days, so as not to lose her (the dog, not the wife) in the woods, I detected around the house for practice.

    I have no idea what era or origin it has. Roman? Medieval. It is thin and 7/8" longest..Any help on IDing it would be greatly appreciated. I'm not even sure the term "hammered" applies, but that's what it looks like. It has some mythological looking animals, and an eagle on one side, and what looks like a woman standing with outreached arm on the other side, some letters around both side's edges.

    First two pics are right out of the ground after a water rinse, the next three pics are after a few minute's cleaning.
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  2. #2
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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    Nice hammered silver Congrats on a great find

    Not sure what it is, however reckon it will be ID

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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    Its European, Not British, maybe Dutch, I pretty sure it will be about 1750s or just before. It is silver but not hammered, most likely milled. (although it does seem double striked, so a bit puzzelling).

    I will watch for a full ID, this is all best guess.
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  4. #4

    Apr 2008
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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    "Its European, Not British, maybe Dutch, I pretty sure it will be about 1750s or just before. It is silver but not hammered, most likely milled. (although it does seem double striked, so a bit puzzelling).

    I will watch for a full ID, this is all best guess."

    Ciao Cru,..Thanks for your opinion, and Good Eye on the double strike. Forgot to mention that in my original description. Now what's the difference between Hammered and Milled? I'm new to all this European coinage, so bear with me here.

    Dutch would be a surprise around here, considering we are in the rural Alps, though this area has plenty history of early German immigration around 1750 and earlier.

    Also I discovered today what a hot rock is today, and their cost in time in digging for nothing.

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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by goldnow
    "Its European, Not British, maybe Dutch, I pretty sure it will be about 1750s or just before. It is silver but not hammered, most likely milled. (although it does seem double striked, so a bit puzzelling).

    I will watch for a full ID, this is all best guess."

    Ciao Cru,..Thanks for your opinion, and Good Eye on the double strike. Forgot to mention that in my original description. Now what's the difference between Hammered and Milled? I'm new to all this European coinage, so bear with me here.

    Dutch would be a surprise around here, considering we are in the rural Alps, though this area has plenty history of early German immigration around 1750 and earlier.

    Also I discovered today what a hot rock is today, and their cost in time in digging for nothing.
    German/Austro-Hungarian Empire was my second guess. Now you say this, it makes it more likely, specially as it has a seated britannia on the Reverse (first picture)
    TOO BUSY TO DETECT,YOU'RE TOO BUSY!!!

    'Time isn't money it's finds, unless your finds are money' 08/12/17
    'No good comes from thinking about how much time we waste detecting, as wasted time is good soul time' 25/06/08
    A real man thinks about detecting every 6 seconds.
    'They look over their shoulder, I look to the ground' 30/09/12
    We can not understand ourselves unless we understand our HISTORY.
    I open my prezzies out of lumps of mud. 02/10/19
    PMA:Positive MetalDetecting Attitude.
    ONE LIFE - DETECT IT

  6. #6

    Apr 2008
    Tesoro Vaquero
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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    Okay, I'll bite. Why does a German/Austro-Hungarian coin have a seated britannia on it?

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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by goldnow
    Okay, I'll bite. Why does a German/Austro-Hungarian coin have a seated britannia on it?
    The British Monachs are from Hanover, Germany. So its a guess, as it would need to be a coin with close links to the British (as its mostly British coins that have a seated Britannia on it, & I know its not British). Its my logic & maybe completely wrong.
    TOO BUSY TO DETECT,YOU'RE TOO BUSY!!!

    'Time isn't money it's finds, unless your finds are money' 08/12/17
    'No good comes from thinking about how much time we waste detecting, as wasted time is good soul time' 25/06/08
    A real man thinks about detecting every 6 seconds.
    'They look over their shoulder, I look to the ground' 30/09/12
    We can not understand ourselves unless we understand our HISTORY.
    I open my prezzies out of lumps of mud. 02/10/19
    PMA:Positive MetalDetecting Attitude.
    ONE LIFE - DETECT IT

  8. #8

    Apr 2008
    Tesoro Vaquero
    386
    2 times

    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    Fair enough...Two animals I have kind of figure out..The upper left is an eagle, with what I think is a fish in his claws..And the lower right looks like a griffin/dragon with wings.. The upper right one has me baffled, as when I turn my head I get a ram one way, and when I turn my head the other way I get a mythical creature.

    Most eagles I have seen from this area all look like they just got their willy stuck in a light socket. This one seems more lucky.



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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    Here's the image of your shield on the reverse of an Italian States (Milan) scudo of Filippo II di Spagna, 1556-1598.

    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvie...D=501&Lot=1991

    The shield represents the Arms of Milan.
    The legend probably reads: MEDIOL ANI DVX (Duke of Milan)

    Don....

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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mackaydon
    Here's the image of your reverse shield on an Italian States (Milan) scudo of Filippo II di Spagna, 1556-1598.

    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvie...D=501&Lot=1991

    The shield represents the Arms of Milan.
    The legend probably reads: MEDIOL ANI DVX (Duke of Milan)

    Don....
    The shield is spot on It was based on the Visconti insignia.

  11. #11

    Apr 2008
    Tesoro Vaquero
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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    I can live with a circa 1500 coin as my first major find.

    Thanks, Mackaydon, for your helpful link. I think my wish-list just went over to the next page after perusing the possible finds I can come across here.

    Can I ask the dirty?--Does it have any value?
    (Wifey needs some confidence the 500 euros for the Tesoro and extras was a good idea.)

  12. #12
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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    We've only (possibly) ID-ed the reverse image, not the obverse or the year or the coin itself.
    Need more research before value can be determined.

  13. #13
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    May 2008
    uk
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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    It's a nice old coin whatever it turns out to be

    A great feeling to find something that old!!
    Who needs Cartwheel Pennies anyway?

  14. #14

    Apr 2008
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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    Thanks Shaun.. I watch your posts, and I want you to know that there's an MDer in Italy rooting for you to ace-out Crusader one day.

  15. #15

    Apr 2008
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    Re: Unusual Hammered SILVER coin, My First! ... ID help, please.

    I know, Macaydon.. Wifey is over my shoulder all of a sudden, thinking her ancestral land is holding hoards of gold. Yesterday, I was getting dirty looks when I grabbed my machine, Now she wants to know when I'm going next. She even windexed the coil.

 

 
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