A Rare 16th Century Spoon Mold Find!

[timekiller]

A Rare 16th Century Spoon Mold Find!

Took the day off and went MDing.Had found a new site and wanted to hit it.So I Did.Came up with some first for me.And some I don't even know what they are.All needs a better cleaning just done a quick soap and water deal.Here they are till I get them cleaned better.
Enjoy,
Timekiller!

 

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[shaun7]

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I'm surprised it's not there too

 

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[timekiller]

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here are some more pics. guy's maybe help!

 

[CRUSADER]

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I'm still very confused as to why this is still not on the BANNER. It's one of the most historically significant finds I've seen posted on here in a couple of years.

Exactly, I would gladly swap all my banners for this one being up there. We have layers of history to find & they all melt into each other. This one is the start of modern America & stands out as a story of an individual who took the risk of sailing dangerous sea's to start a new life in an unknown world with the few tools he/she saw fit to start a colony. etc....etc...

If I wanted to buy this I might offer the sort of price that Tnet is advertising at

 

[scratcher]

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Should be possible to find specimens made from the mold with just pics of the 'front' with that crack in the mold. Hopefully it was always there. Would make id'ing examples pretty easy without much other comparing.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: A Rare 16th Century Spoon Mold Find!

Should be possible to find specimens made from the mold with just pics of the 'front' with that crack in the mold. Hopefully it was always there. Would make id'ing examples pretty easy without much other comparing.

very true, good point. Lets hope they are out there in museums or Private collections from known sites.

 

[Ed-NH]

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The breeches knee buckle is really nice too

 

[CRUSADER]

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The breeches knee buckle is really nice too

your looking at what

 

[timekiller]

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OK, here is what I consider rather definite proof that the acorn spoons were from the time period Johnny has been stating. (This books states early part of 16th Century or perhaps earlier) This is probably part of the oldest known mold in North America if without a doubt the paterrn is a Acorn knops type, which it sure appears to be from the photos.

Look at pages 21-23

http://books.google.com/books?id=oBgtAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA7&dq=old+base+metal+spoons#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Don

Don I have read the site you give for info.I have the mold in my hand as I read about it.Now with what I read and with what I see there is no differents in how they describe the spoons in the site with the mold in my hand.I very well understand why you say what you say as I can not find one reason it is not a mold for that type spoon they describe.From the angled stem they speak of, to the acorn, to knopps on top.All plainly stated in the info.With all kidding aside on the banner crap.This futher makes me wonder what could really be there at this site.Rather appreiated or not by some this is now my most important find even the token don't hold up to this if a person takes a breath and really thinks about what this find could mean being found where I did.By what I read the only way I see that this could not mean something big is if it was used for a very long time from when it was made.Or someone's screwed the history up on the spoons.Doughtful but that's the choices I'm left with.Do you see another?If it's dabateble I'd like to know how.As far as I'm conserned from this site you give those spoons were made from a mold just like this one.And I'm not just saying that cause I found it, it is just a fact from the way they talk in that site about those spoons.Look thanks alot on your help on this.Some people I show this mold to come off as big deal spoon mold but to me it's ? all the way.It has turned into something very fascinating to me now.Well I'll quit jibber jabbering and end this.
THANKS!

 

[CRUSADER]

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OK, here is what I consider rather definite proof that the acorn spoons were from the time period Johnny has been stating. (This books states early part of 16th Century or perhaps earlier) This is probably part of the oldest known mold in North America if without a doubt the paterrn is a Acorn knops type, which it sure appears to be from the photos.

Look at pages 21-23

http://books.google.com/books?id=oBgtAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA7&dq=old+base+metal+spoons#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Don

Don I have read the site you give for info.I have the mold in my hand as I read about it.Now with what I read and with what I see there is no differents in how they describe the spoons in the site with the mold in my hand.I very well understand why you say what you say as I can not find one reason it is not a mold for that type spoon they describe.From the angled stem they speak of, to the acorn, to knopps on top.All plainly stated in the info.With all kidding aside on the banner crap.This futher makes me wonder what could really be there at this site.Rather appreiated or not by some this is now my most important find even the token don't hold up to this if a person takes a breath and really thinks about what this find could mean being found where I did.By what I read the only way I see that this could not mean something big is if it was used for a very long time from when it was made.Or someone's screwed the history up on the spoons.Doughtful but that's the choices I'm left with.Do you see another?If it's dabateble I'd like to know how.As far as I'm conserned from this site you give those spoons were made from a mold just like this one.And I'm not just saying that cause I found it, it is just a fact from the way they talk in that site about those spoons.Look thanks alot on your help on this.Some people I show this mold to come off as big deal spoon mold but to me it's ? all the way.It has turned into something very fascinating to me now.Well I'll quit jibber jabbering and end this.
THANKS!

Bear in mind the following:
A well made Bronze mold like this could be used for hundreds of years. The crack could indicate an over use of it (or a defect at manufacture, hard to tell).
My gut feeling on this is that it was used in the UK for a very long time, before going out of fashion & then taken overseas as a start up kit. Lets face it, fashion was less of an issue when in a survivial situation. When you start getting more evidence (dateable material) of an early date then you may have a very exciting site (more so than you have already proved of course), for now don't assume that becauses its likely 1500s that the site is as well.

 

[allan]

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I vote banner, here is one I found that is quite similiar http://www.carolescountry.com/A_PEWTER_Store/A_PEWTER_all_items.html

 

[BobinSouthVA]

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Wow that looks like a fantastic spot you found. Can't wait to see what else you find.

Congrats

Sure does belong up on the Banner.

 

[CRUSADER]

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I vote banner, here is one I found that is quite similiar http://www.carolescountry.com/A_PEWTER_Store/A_PEWTER_all_items.html

It is a good link though because it got me thinking, it quotes:
'This 17th century style spoon was based on a piece recovered at Jamestown, VA. in 1609. Measures 6 inches'

If it were based on a Acorn topped pewter spoon found at Jamestown, then do they possibly have one made by this mold? They need to be contacted, I would suggest, just in case!

 

[timekiller]

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I have been doing some research this morning and have found an interesting site.

http://www.gregorylefever.com/pdfs/Pewter Tableware2.pdf

The whole site has very interesting information especially about how it was illegal for pewterers to make things in the early colonies. Makes me think that maybe the owner of the mold was breaking the law making spoons with this mold. But even more interesting information is found when you scroll about 3/4th way down the page in a green section on today's pewterers and their collection of antique molds. They don't seem to have any dated prior to 1650 in their collection. Music to my ears!

 

[scratcher]

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I vote banner, here is one I found that is quite similiar http://www.carolescountry.com/A_PEWTER_Store/A_PEWTER_all_items.html

It is a good link though because it got me thinking, it quotes:
'This 17th century style spoon was based on a piece recovered at Jamestown, VA. in 1609. Measures 6 inches'

If it were based on a Acorn topped pewter spoon found at Jamestown, then do they possibly have one made by this mold? They need to be contacted, I would suggest, just in case!

You beat me to it...

 

[RPG]

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[jrsherman]

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Wow Pete, I just caught this post after being away for a few days. I've got several friends down around Goldsboro that you're REALLY making me want to visit !!

You are coming up fast in the Colonial world, with some recoveries far surpassing many I've seen since I've gotten into the forums a few years back. The history you recover is nothing short of unbelievable in and of itself.

I hereby nominate Timekiller Pete himself for the banner, for his continued ability and dedication to locating early American artifacts, and his perseverance while not being seen at the top!

That spoon mold and all the history lessons in this thread are amazing! Thanks to all the researchers for locating and sharing the information with us all!

Josh Sherman

 

[Woodland Detectors]

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GREAT Banner find!!!!!

 

[creeper71]

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I held off replying until I heard back from a individual who I thought might shed some more light on the spoon, but not much really except for what he says and a book he suggests getting a hold of.

Here is an excerpt of the reply from a curator at Williamsburg Va:

This is an early spoon mold, and is thus somewhat rare. It is a relatively common form for a 17th c. spoon, and it should be easy to find surviving examples in books. There’s one volume that comes to mind, called something like “Four Hundred Years of Base Metal Spoons” which should provide all the answers.

Sure is bewildering that a rare relic such as this is not on top

Don

yet a common bottle is on banner..wtf?

 

[olekyground]

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wow! Awesome finds! Especially the spoon mold!

 

[timekiller]

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Thanks Guy's But I've been tring to stay out of this post as it makes me feel evil just looking!
But here is what I've found out on it from a archaeologist who has worked with MEL FISHER and on other wrecks up and down the east coast,latest being the QUEEN ANN'S REVENGE! He told me in his opinion it's a period piece!He was also kind enough to take me behind the seens to show me why.With books that I could never think of buying in the hundreds of dollars.He was kind enough also to make me copies! Thank to him again!
Now my wife spent one whole day e-mailing people all over the U.S. I'm talking people who do work for the WHITE HOUSE and they collect molds all say they have never seen nothing that old and have know ideas.There oldest I think was 1650 not sure can't remember now! But here is my proof and until someone comes up with something different that is were it stands.
My mold is 61/2inches the spoon it made would had been 6 1/4inces!