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    Caltrop?

    This was found in front of a fort built in the 1700s to protect against indian attacks. Shippensburg also was invaded by 20,000 confederates during the civil war. I know setlers used to throw these out to stop Indians in pursuit but it also stopped calvary. Does this look like civil war or french and indian war to you guys?Click image for larger version. 

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    Is it iron? It sure looks like one great find

    Dig until your arm falls off
    Last edited by recondigger; Sep 10, 2013 at 07:46 PM.
    Dig until your arm falls off

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    It is Iron..held a magnet to it and it damn near flew out of my hand.

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    We'll congratulations

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    Dig until your arm falls off

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    That is really cool and must be rare. Good job.

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    The fort was constructed here after Braddocks defeat. The Delaware Indians attacked this area. But Gen Ewell and his 20k confederates also invaded this town so its hard to tell what it was for. It was dug near fort Morris ( Fort Franklin) depending on who you talk to in this town

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    creskol it is a caltrop. I took it to a Historian that did confirm it. From the email he sent me it looks to be civil war as they were thinner previous to that. He told me they were to stop confederate calvary. Apparently if a horse stepped on one of these it would be injured and have to be put down so it wasnt captured. This is what he told me.

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    I also said it was in front of a french and indian war fort. There is lots of undocumented battles in the Civil war. Search Shippensburg, pa and the civil war or dykeman pond. Heavy activity here and on top of that the Delaware Indians attacked this town often.
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    creskol i didnt come here to fight. But i do study history in this area. Just because no record of caltrops being used does not mean they were not. You wont know the history of Shippensburg unless you research it. It is undocumented for the most part. Shippen Place Hotel [History - Civil War] I only ask that you dont question my finds like that. Its old and I dug it. researched the fort and this area.
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    then what would you call it? I searched google and found tons of caltrop pics that look like the one I found https://www.google.com/search?q=civi...w=1600&bih=770

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    your link does not work

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    http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/wh...ps-aren-t.html


    This is the link he is referring to. I don't know anything about caltrops or whatever so I can't be of any help. Cool find though especially if it is a caltrop (I'm not taking sides lol)

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    Not from the Civil War.. There is no evidence of diaries,letters,newspapers, etc supporting the use of caltrops during the war - that is not to say a few soldiers made a caltrop that looks like what i posted in this photo and tried them. I am sure some sort of caltrop and traps were laid out during the war to damage a horses leg.... Out of million+ soldiers during the war.. i am sure some soldier sat around in a camp and made some caltrops and then laid them down somewhere, or just threw them around the camp for fun.. Pretty much bottom line is that to most civil war experts say: "that caltrops were not used in the Civil War!, no evidence". But - that does not mean a few soldiers made home-made type ones in a camp and tried them out... But the evidence is not there - unless you can find a diary of a civil war soldier writing about them using caltrops, then it is unlikely..

    Here is a response that Creskol wrote on another site which i think sums it up:

    "....there seems to be no Historical documentation (a battle-report, a soldier's diary, a "period" newspaper report) that caltrops (also known as crows-feet/jack-nails/horse-cripplers, etc) were used within the United States' borders during all the years between the American Revolution and the 20th-century's Labor Union conflicts. ... But regarding Historical documentation of their use in (the Civil War) ...there seems to be none. It is now possible to do a keyword-search of the entire (126-volume) Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies. But the word caltrops -- nor their alternative-names crows-feet, horse-cripplers, jack-nails, etc -- is nowhere to be found in all those Official Records tens-of-thousands of Civl War army reports and correspondence. Sure seems like if caltrops were used somewhere in the US civil war, there's be at least one report of it. But there's none."
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    Nope, can't be a caltrop. Why? Because "we" can't prove the theory.

    By the way, anyone know, for certain, what a memory is, after all, we are sooooooo smart, ain't we?
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