Willie Doughits Bandit Priest Treasure Caballo Mountains

[Backwoodsbob]

Thanks mdog.That's what I thought. Just wanted to verify it.

 

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[Quinoa]

For explorers such as yourself, remember that the State of NM back-filled/buried several hundred adits/shafts beginning in the 1970s. Many have partially washed back open. Chances are extremely high that those old "treasure vaults" you're finding are actually just abandoned old mines that were covered to prevent the unwary public from entering dangerous places.

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One Looks like an old Field spring photo. You know what I am talking about? Noa qui? -Quinoa

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

If you can find the Devil,your in a good spot.

 

[gollum]

Nobody,

I think if you reread your original post, you will see who jumped out of the starting gate with insults. That is why I screenshotted your post (in case you try and change it). Pretty evident to anybody that can read.

I am not afeered of any man that walks this earth. Come out and meet me sometime and see for yourself. I am always open to meet anybody that thinks they have what it takes.

Best of luck with your lunacy,

Mike

 

[Backwoodsbob]

I got the devil's pit righr next to me. And yes they have messed with me before. I know first hand about those spirits

 

[Nitric]

Ok I read the thread up to the post with the video talking about exorcism. Now, I know nothing about this treasure, but as an outsider looking in? Could it be that these legends originated to keep most people from looking for it?

Or am I completely lost and missing the point? Or maybe bat crazy too! Because i'd look for a treasure with no fear of the devil getting me! I'm not scared! I think I'm married to her(the devil) anyhow and it's kinda fun!

I'm cracking a joke but I'm seriously kind of lost! Maybe because I don't know the history or the legend other than what I read here.

I'll start over and read full thread starting at the beginning! Where else would I get some solid facts or foundation on this treasure? Not that I'm going looking, I just like to learn anything.

 

[weekender]

Let me help you out with the defintions of words, for some seem to be lost upon you. I didn't personally attack you, as you did me, and continue to do. Again, why are you insulting people reading, pretending they are stupid? Like they don't know the difference between a personal attack, what you have engaged in, and someone calling BS on someone elses' claims, what I have engaged in. They do, Mike. And quit cryin' about it, for you back a lot of your claims up with, "Well, I have the evidence to prove it, but I cannot show you, so you will just have to trust me."

It is a shame you haven't screenshotted more of my posts, for I went through a deleted a lot of good stuff not too long ago. I am touched, Mike, that you are so concerned about me and my thoughts on all of this (even though you are trying, unsuccessfully, to show that you are not). Have you given any thought to exactly how much of your hard drive you are going to allow me to move into, where I can keep my THing boots, etc? You know I have a dog, with another one soon to show up, right? We need to talk about these things, Mikey, I'm not going to just jump into this type of relationship with you without us talking about it. Lol.



What the hell is this? Are we back in grade school? Flagpole, 15:00, eh? Now you are inviting me to come try to kick yer arse? All because of me calling BS on some of your claims. Gimme a break, tough guy. Boy, I got ya, huh, Mikey? You ain't got nothing but, "You're stupid and I'm 6'4" and 275 and can kick yer arse." Lol. Childish.

And EVERYONE else can see it, too. What you have on your side, however, is that there aren't too many people here that want to pubically associate themselves with me, the way I like it. But, make no mistake, Mike, they see it, and some of them ABSOLUTELY do ask themselves, internally, the questions I pose. And they should, for I don't pose anything but good damn questions to think about. Hard. And never forget about the MAJORITY of people who will read this thread - those who never once hit the 'post reply' button. The Lurkers out there. That's who I'm talking to, Mike, not you, lol. I'm talking to them.



Oh, luck is too fickle a maiden for me to rely upon, Mike. I am much more proactive than that.

Btw, which part was lunacy? The part where I said there is a disproportionately high number of Masons involved in TH'ing? That Kentworthy and KvM were both Masons, as was Willie? That Doc was murdered, an unarmed man running for his life, was gunned down from behind by a Mason, who of course, got off Scott Free? That the notion that Willie would continue to return for the rest of his life is silly? That So Cal is a KGC Retirement Home? That the notion that information regarding millions upon millions of dollars of gold bullion would be hanging out until the 70's, untouched and untapped for Kentworthy to go get in the Spanish Archives is laughable? That many of these Treasure Legends, as released to the Public Domain via books, newspapers, actions of people like Willie, etc., are often Red Herrings and Disinformation? That people's chances of finding something are Lottery like? That the original owners ever forgot about any of this stuff? That no Aztec Royal Tomb has been found in Mexico?

If you don't like my stuff on the Falsified Historical Chronology, at the hands of the Jesses in teh 1500-1600's, well start your argumnet with the head of the Department of Differential Equations at Moscow UNiversity, a dude with PhD's in Mathematics and Physics, well regarded by his academic peers, and the team of other PhD mathematicians who have spent THREE DECADES researching the issue due to stumbling upon the problem via a Celestial Mechanics issue that included Ptolemy's Amalagamest. And they are the ones, those PhD Mathematicians, each one individually way more intelligent than your childish arse, let alone Fomenko, a literal damn genius, who ascribed blame to the Jesses for that particular sequence of events - Falsifying the Historical Chronology 500 years ago.

Go ahead, Mike, call the head of the of a department of mathematics at Moscow University who has spent 30 years extensively researching the issue a lunatic. Tell him to take his meds, call him ignorant, and then, of course, don't forget to invite him to fly on over from Moscow top meet you at the flagpole at 15:00 to try to kick yer arse, lol. It is going to be a TEAM of Mathematicains and PhDs that come over, though, so even though Fomenko is 70 years old and kinda skinny, ya might want to run away, 'cause he is quite literally one of the most intelligent people alive at this moment and will probably out think yer blockhead in short order ...

Hey Mikey, I pulled yer pants down, and now everyone can see. And, yup, I ain't the only one pointing and laughing, doubt not that ...

sdcfia:

Ya got the little 14 year old knocked up French girl that went home, a line over here, and then Andronicus' 3 grandsons that ran the Empire of Trebenzoid (sp?). And then the Administrative/Banking/Priest Class families. Did you know that the 'Romans' kept their Treasury in the Temple of Saturn? I seem to remember a story somewhere, about a dude getting all pissed off about some money-changing going on in the Temple. Of course, that Saturian Temple of the Romans wasn't in Rome.

What's up with that double headed eagle every where. From the Byzatines to the Hapsburgs to the cover of Pike's Morals and Dogma. Hmm. Wonder where all of that Eagle stuff has some strong origins. Maybe over in that Steppes area? The Left and Right Wing we here about everywhere, ever wonder where that started?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hordes_of_the_Jochid_Ulus#History

The Golden and the Blue/White Hoardes. The Left and Right Wing of Ghenghis Khan, whom Queen Elizabeth, of the German House of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha (for those that don't know, the name was changed to Windsor, to sound English, post WWI. Crumpets and Tea, my arse, lol. More like Bratwurst and Sauerkraut, well, Borscht and Vodka, actually, and cuisines south of there, of the Constantinople variety, prior to that), claims decent from. Hmmm. Wonder where the Native Americans picked up that habit of Scalping? Maybe from the Scythians/Saturinians, who liked to scalp people and hang them on their horses and use them for napkins, drink out of skulls, eat people (Ghengis Khan's Hoarde was feared for this, among other things, and what else is a large band of roving warriors to eat? They really don't have many options but to resort to cannibalism, certainly at times. Think about it.

Oh yea, the Saturnians liked to do the mummy thing, to. Ya see, mummies need a dry environment to hang out in, not a humid subtropical climate, like Mexico City. The Eurasian Steppes is where this stuff started. It is fascinating to see a Fleur de Lies pulled out of Scythian tombs on the Steppes. As the Empire expanded, mummification techniques advanced the Royal Mummies were transported to Egypt to more elaborate surroundings. I draw two distinct waves coming over - the first one circa 1185 AD, and then the around 1300, or so, when things, quite literally, went to Hell in a significant way. Both from the west, thought the second wave could have utilized the Gulf of Mexico and Rio Grande, too. This was Venetian stuff, among other players. Columbus (whoever he was) was Genoese, the rival of Venice in European Banking. According to another PhD, one from Oxford, (Mike) Columbus got his info via Constantinople, and the secret is out and an end put to the show. And then then, a couple years later in 1494, comes the Treaty of Tordesillas, where the head of Batu Khan's Vatican issued that Papal Bull that dived the whole damn world up between Spain and little pissant Potugal, the two in league with the Vatican after the fall of the Hapsburgs (Maximillion was a reconstituted branch of the Hapsburgs, not an original, and there was the House of Lorraine involved in that revival of the Hapsburg name.

All over Europe you will find the pieces and parts of dead people, openly venerated and worshipped. The Scottish Rite does the same thing, with Pike's bones in the Lodge in D.C. Prescott Bush, patriarch of the Bushes came down and grave robbed Geronimo's Skull for their German based Saturnian Skull & Bones Clubhouse (gee, wonder why the give Grandfather Clocks to every member when they leave Yale. Hmmm, I wonder who likes Time? Oh yea - Chronos/Father Time/SAturn/etc.). Why Geronimo? What is up with that, eh? I don't feel like digging it up, Mike, but you can find an article about that grave robbery at the hands of a guy, Prescott, who got in trouble with FDR's Administartion for helping get money to the Nazis via Union Bank in Cali, in either Time or Life (hey, isn't one of those mag the ones that made the Peralta Stones big stuff?). Chivington, Secret Society dude and mass murderer (led the atrocities of the Sand Creek Massacre, where babies were cut out of dead women, as well as their private parts being cut out and paraded around on sticks and horse pommels, children and old women hunted down and shot, unarmed, dying of hunger, and point blank - don't like that stuff? Tough. It happened. And that dude also had Espinito's head in a jar in the basement of his clubhouse, the Lodge. And you'll have to do what you always ask, Mike - trust me. I was told that part about the head in a jar in a College Colorado History class, instructed by one of the most respected PhD Colorado Historians around.

And what's up with that Athabaskan language group?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabaskan_languages

Pretty interesting geographical distribution, eh? Kinda like the Navajo and Apache (others, too) were brought on down south at some point as a group. Wonder who could've been responsible for moving some people from the NW to the SW? One of those two waves did ...

And what does that, and my other two posts have to do with Willie's Gold?

Everything ...

And I don't feel like checking this one for typos, lol.

Nobody,

I wish I was in the High Country part you are talking about, but I am in the "other" Arkansas River Valley.
The one between Oklahoma & Mississippi
Not as many stories and legends, but enough to keep a person thinking, and listening and learning.
Keep it coming.
-Weekender

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Gentlemen end the insults and put downs or I will......

 

[Nitric]

Thanks Nobody! For taking the time with a detailed reply. I can't say I fully understand because I have a lot to learn! But I do understand what you are saying now. That cleared up what I was trying to follow with what you were saying.

 

[sdcfia]

More like looking in the wrong direction and wrong places. It is impossible to keep any mention or hints of the existence of such from leaking out, therefore, the way and how it leaks out is controlled, so that anyone that catches wind ends up chasing their tail. But, there is more than just that. There have been periodic 'revivals' off this stuff. Like the 30's, when Dobie hit the scene, and the 80's. And then back in the late 1800's, well all kinds of stuff going on with Treasure Legends hitting the scene.

While that may seem unimportant, given things like the Gold Rushes that occurred, etc., but when one looks deeper, with a more critical and open mind, patterns emerge. And questions arise, or should. Like, why do you find multiple Legends, in Multiple States, that reference Iron Doors. And some with Oak Doors. And exactly how stupid were people back then that everyone kept getting lost rabbit or deer hunting, it started raining/snowing, and then they stumble upon gold, but, of course can never find the spot again? That seemed to be all the rage back then - go out hunting, get lost, weather moves in, gold is found, but, oops, can't find it again. There is more to it. There is transcontinental information being communicated with some of those newspaper stories. Embedded code for those in the know, like a treasure legend with an Iron Door in it means one thing in a classification sort of way, while Oak Door ones carry a different implicit meaning.

Back then, of course, was that infamous KGC stuff. I'm just scratching the surface there with how some of these Treasure Legends are very intentional Red Herrings and encoded information. Go read up on L.C.'s stuff in the KGC forum. You'll get an understanding of the 'Network' of people involved with these treasure legends, including globally.

Now, getting into the early 1900's, you start getting Bolshvieks invovled. After hanging out in New York for a bit, the Mason and B'Nai B'rith member Lev Bronstein (Leon Trotsky), shipped out with fistfulls of cash from New York and Germany to hook up with Lenin, who came in from Germany, to kick off the party in 1917. You find mention in the James/Names book of The Organization whackin' 50 Bolsheviks in Utah, and then if you dip your toes in to the LUE, you immediately get shunted over to a book written by a Socialist and Bolshevik supporter (as well as proponent of Zionism - Hurt wrote about this).

What's the point of all of that? What people need to understand is that for whatever truth there is to garner from the escapades of people like Willie, is that from DAY ONE, HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO, these 'rumored' caches of gold have been known about by the power structure of the World, and by multiple Secret Societies. All of whom, the individual members of the oligarchical structure that runs the show as well as MULTIPLE Societies with Secrets, have all looked for, fought over, recovered, and relocated this stuff since the get go.

That is who's gold yer lookin' for - Gold claimed by multiple international families, religious, & political entities and Secret Societies. And if one thinks that those type of folks are just going to leave information laying around in archives, without them acting upon it LONG BEFORE Kentworthy, or even the KGC, well, that's a very flawed thought process. <cut>

Some of the stuff you've posted is pretty obscure - such as the Bolshevik connections. I know you favor the Russian influences, but we'll have to try to see how that all fits together. I always thought the Trotsky-in-Mexico thing was odd, but maybe he just couldn't resist Frida.

The red bold stuff above though - right on target, IMO.

 

[Nitric]

Crazy stuff!!! The more I learn by looking into some of this stuff, the more I find out how wrong I was taught. Some of it is not conspiracy stuff either! It really happened! Some very Dark history in the US. Also after just briefly digging I see how a lot of the stuff could be tied together.(or is?) Cool! something new to read about for a while!

But finding fact over opinion would take years!!! Boy, was I taught wrong about past missionaries and the influence, "the church"! That is scary too. Anyhow, I'm way off topic! I was just looking into some things that were mentioned in the thread.And was shocked at what I was reading! I guess I was "taught" in a "bubble"!

The treasure's are interesting or the thought of all the gold, but all the surrounding stuff is too interesting too, probably more.

 

[gollum]

Nobody,

Not only your folks, but for many many years, most mission records and archives were easily accessed by almost anybody, and the old treasure hunters stole anything and everything they found that had anything to do with mines or treasure. There is a good reason why there isn't a whole lot of paper trail left.

Mike

 

[Nitric]

Gollum,

That makes sense too! If I was an early treasure hunter? I would have! Just being honest! Or would have bought if I could.

 

[gollum]

Gollum,

That makes sense too! If I was an early treasure hunter? I would have! Just being honest! Or would have bought if I could.

Can't really fault them too badly, after all, no digicams or copiers. Might as well just snatch them.

Mike

 

[sdcfia]

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Same Rothschild of the City of London, same City of London some link to some of this Treasure stuff.

Ya wanna know, at this point, what I think the Cabllos good for? Something for for all of those Snowbirds in TorC to look at through the window of their RV as they sip coffee in the morning in January. I don't buy Cable Canyon, either. For that one to be true, that stuff had to be pretty easy to find and extract. If it ever was there, and that story is true, it was moved, shortly thereafter. I mean if anyone can just stumble upon it and reach in without too much hassle, it would be BOTH neccessary and EASY to relocate. That whole telescope in the bar stuff is ridiculous. Is that really how a cache of gold bars worth a lot of money, that apparently anyone can just stumble upon and play with, is going to be protected?

By a method SO BLATENTY OBVIOUS?

You know what that telescope did, sdcfia, same damn thing Willy's shennanigan's did. Throw in a couple yeehaws to look menacing and act protective, and, well, go ahead and chisel it in stone: THERE IS ABSOLUTELY, 100%, WITHOUT A DOUBT, A BIG 'OL PILE 'O GOLD BULLION WAITING IN CABLE CANYON TO BE FOUND AND RECOVERED.

Isn't there? Of course there is. There MUST be. There is that telescope in a bar (a $20 telescope sitting by a window, and an instant decades long treasure legend born - too damn easy for Them, ain't it? Edward Abbey wasn't kidding when he penned that quote from The Monkeywrench Gang in my sig, was he?), and that one nephew (who just so happened to wander into NM and hook up with the Noss Clan by choosing the right place to eat breakfast), and this one guy Joe, well, he said his friend Tom had these two guys come up to him and tell him to leave. So, of course there is a cache of gold up there. Lol.

That is all it takes, sdcfia. As simple as that, and then FOR DECADES, anybody who has any interest in this Treasure Hunting stuff and starts looking into it will be CONVINCED AND SPEND DECADES OF THEIR LIVES CHASING GOLD IN CABLE CANYON. And it snowballs, too. For the more nutjobs taking potshots at THers 'guarding their cache' they know they are a day away from finding, the better to solidify the nonsense into FACT.

As far as the part that wasn't in red, well, c'mon, man, that was good stuff, lol. I triple dog dare you to come up with a better few paragraph synopsis of the NAUT^2. And for me, the NAUT^2 is but a subset of The Big Picture. And when it comes to that Big Picture, let alone the NAUT^2, there really anything else out there that makes any damn sense ...

It took me probably at least two years before I was ready to commit to Fomenko's version of things. It's a game changer. It is THE SECRET. It'll damn near turn your reality upside down, one of the reasons it took a period of years for me to fully digest it, its applications to, well, everything, and fully grasp and understand its implications. I do not fully agree with every piece of his reconstruction, but for the basic chronological shifts that took place, the statistical methodologies employed, most of it, etc., well, I find that pretty rock solid, at this point, and every where I look is nothing but evidence that corresponds, not negates ...

Since I have mentioned the Venetian/Engalnd connection, Dr. Webster Tarpley is where one can find that research.

I snipped the first part of your post: I won't comment on the mystery men behind the curtain pulling the levers. It's too damned confusing for me. Besides, most folks only care about those poor Spanish miners who lost track of their gold and those lucky 1930s Masonic hillbillies who found it. Ha ha.

I believe you're correct about the Big Red Herring in the Caballos. The telescope, cowboy patrols and claimants exist(ed), but they all came later, after the seeds were well-rooted. The list of claim holders I found ca 1980 in Cable Canyon was merely the roster of scammers so rigorously defended by the pilgrims, although JJ Armes added some panache to the rogues gallery. My recent contact with the nephew - he with the surname we all know - only provided more suspicion in my mind. Well, fresh air, lots of exercise and a big dose of hope never hurt anyone in the Caballos, I guess, except the ones who got shot. Ha ha. That said, on some level, there's probably some sort of there there somewhere.

The NAUT^2: "Something is happening here, but you don't know what it is, do you, Mister Jones?" Keep digging, Nobody (no pun intended).

Fomenko is smart enough to realize that history is just a puppet show for childish minds, but I think he's gone a bit too far out on the ledge for me. Of course, as has been the case frequently, I could be wrong.

 

[gollum]

NOBODY,

I still don't know if I am on board with the Commie Pinko Thing. HAHAHA But in the absence of hard irrefutable evidence, I have always said that ANYTHING is possible. Its just that the further back in time you go, or the more unusual the theories, I just require more hard evidence. "Spectacular Claims REQUIRE spectacular evidence!"

That said, I am 100% convinced there is/was treasure in the Caballos, San Andres, and Organs. I am also about 90-95% on Jones and the Ft Huachuca Treasure. If that one is true, it is most definitely a game changer. While gold bars stacked by the thousands is amazing, the golden throne described by Jones would COMPLETELY dismiss anything Jesuit, Spanish, or Mexican in origin. If the throne is true, we have to start looking at ...GULP... Aztecs, Ophir, Phoenicians, Templars, etc. "Once you rule out the possible, the impossible (no matter how improbable) must be true!"

While SOME records may have been available, to think that the things about which I speak are going to be documented in easily PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE paperwork is not realistic, IMO. To think that people like Kino were independent freelancers, working on their own and not under orders is not how the Jesses work, nor would any Jesuit be sent over here about whom ultimate loyalty is questioned. How did his superiors find out what he was doing, were they left to scour public Mission Records after his death, too? Or was there another line of communication, a more private one? It is pretty difficult to find more obedience to hierarchical structure than within Orders of the Catholic Church. And to further think that there is going to be an abundance of documentation available to any THer of any Era, is not realistic. And to AUTOMATICALLY trust ANY document regarding this stuff I don't think to be wise, for I understand what the Jesuits have been doing to documents and the 'Public Record' since the 1500's.

Some of what you say here is correct. Some, I don't agree with. Padre Kino SJ ran the missions of Pimeria Alta. Many Jesuits take up one great mission in their lives. At first, Kino took his life work to be establishing a mission system in the far North of the Spanish Lands. During that time, he also made another great work for himself; to prove that California was a peninsula, not an island as displayed on all the maps of the time. First and foremost, the Jesuits Mission was to convert the heathens and spread the word of God. Second to that, Jesuits Loyalty was first to the Pope, and next, to the Church. A distant third was the Royal Family of whichever country they happened to be working in. When a Jesuit takes his final vows, the last and most important one is their "Vow of Obedience". That is the most important vow a Jesuit takes. What maps and documentation that might have been in archives and missions was stolen many times. Much of the most incriminating evidence never made it to the archives and official records. How do we know that is true? Very simple: anybody that has an interest in Jesuit History would do well to get Father Charles Polzer SJ's book "Rules and Precepts of the Jesuit Missions in Northwestern New Spain."

Here are a couple of very important Ecclesiastical Precepts put down by Father Hernando de Cabrero SJ:

"#17: Inasmuch as possible Ours will avoid writing letters to Ours complaining about the laity. If a letter has to be written, let it be so done that, even if lost or opened, the person about whom the letter was written could not understand it. The same caution is to be observed when writing the Provincial about THINGS THAT MUST BE DEALT WITH SECRETLY BECAUSE EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN THE CONTRARY PRACTICE CREATES GRAVE INCONVENIENCES."

In the matter of writing and keeping letters many serious improprieties have been observed. Since, as we are mortals, the written word remains, letters can serve as the father of rumors and the seedbed of discord. Wherefore, I beseech you in the busom of Jesus Christ, THAT WHOEVER HAS SUCH LETTERS WILL HEREUPON BURN THEM (AS OTHERS HAVE ALREADY DONE). In the future, the Fathers should take a careful look at what they are writing because LITTERA SCRIPTA MANET and they can break charity apart in various ways which is something we should take very much to heart in our Society which is after all a society of love.

So, in two ecclesiastical precepts, we have a Jesuit Visitor General saying to his Missionary Priests:

1st: If you have to write a letter about a sensitive subject, then do so in some form of code.

2nd: Any time you get a sensitive letter, you should destroy it (as others have already done) because "the written word remains" (littera scripta manet) and if the wrong people saw those letters it would cause trouble for the Order.

In the journals of Father Joseph Och SJ, in his description of what happened right after the Spanish began arresting the Jesuits, he speaks about being too ill to travel, so he was granted a short time to recover from his illness. While under guard in his room, he had his servant bring a bowl of hot coals to his room. He was able to burn all his papers, and the soldiers came running in because of the smoke, only after all his papers were destroyed.

WHY did Father Och feel the need to burn papers?

Mike

 

[sdcfia]

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I am going to de-TNet myself again, remove myself from this thread now, if for no other reason than to keep Treasure Hunter from having to say to himself, for the umpteenth time, "why do I have to spend so much of my personal time babysitting adults?" Lol.

Or herding a few stray cats? Your drive-bys on this thread and others on TNet haven't drawn much interest, which is no surprise. You've hinted at setting up a blog or some such vehicle to provide malcontents a venue for some harmless deprogramming. Any progress there?

 

[gollum]

SCDFIA,

He comes and goes as he chooses. As I have stated to him previously, I have read and know all about all the conspiratorial Jesuit theories, but I choose not to put a lot of faith in them.

NOBODY,

The biggest differences between accepting your word at face value and Willie Douthit's are more than a couple. Although one or two I can't/won't go into, what I will say is that when Larry/Willie died in 1998, his estate was valued at about $3.5m. That wasn't counting the $1.5m his lady found in cash stashed in the house. So, for a guy to have a string of not too good paying jobs to wind up with that kind of cash adds a lot of credence to his story. When you use your theories and roll up with a pile of cash, I will place a lot of stock in what you propose.

Also, good little jibe there. Only people who have done a bit of research will get that one (murderous brother).


Oh yeah. Don't discount the whole Phoenician Thing. I have personally seen more evidence of Phoenicians in the New World than Templars or Solomon.

Mike

 

[gollum]

Nobody,

YOU are the one that brought Willie Douthit into the conversation. Not me. I just explained why I am more believing of his story than yours. A couple of reasons that I won't/can't explain, and a couple that I DID explain. SIMPLE

'That said' is an interesting phrase. That said = but or except. Spectacular claims require spectacular evidence, BUT in this case, in the case of Willie and the rest of the Stooges, no such evidence is required? Why the exception in Willie's case and YOUR claims, versus mine?

Reading Is Fundamental Nobody! I stated in my post that "I AM 100% CONVINCED...". I did not ever say "there is". I simply said that I AM CONVINCED. I have seen all the evidence I NEED to convince ME. SIMPLE!

What you said about the military just shows a profound lack of knowledge about the military. A person chooses any school or training they wish to attend. When a real world situation is being discussed, in units I was assigned to, when an operation is being planned, input is taken from each specialty (Infantry, Communications, Intelligence, Supply and Control,etc, etc, etc). Very few people are just told what to do.

I defend Kenworthy, not because of anything he said or put in his books. I defend Kenworthy for the simple reason that the information in his books is (for the most part) been proven accurate in the field on several occasions (even by me as I have posted previously).

I have also defended the known stories in some cases, because the only thing to oppose them is supposition and guesswork. I have rarely swallowed the Kool-Aide on a treasure story. There are some parts that ring true sometimes, and sometimes things sound like BS. Look at things from a simple perspective: Willie tells someone that he found a cave with a bunch of gold bars in it. Willie was wealthy when he died. No real source of his wealth was ever known. I tend to believe Willie/Larry's Story. And by that, I believe the basic premise that Willie/Larry had a cave of gold bars. I know for a fact that he told a bunch of different stories about where he got his map. It is likely that he murdered Jack Reynolds to get the map he had. You stated that Reynolds was from Texas, but you are wrong. In an interview with Margaret Perrone (the only living person at the time that knew the boy), she stated that he hitch hiked to Hot Springs from his home in Tennessee, due to his Tuberculosis. So, instead of telling me how poor my research is, you might want to check your own facts first.

More than likely, this is our Jack Reynolds:



Born in 1911, and still there is 1920. Margaret Perrone says he hitch hiked to TorC in 1925 with TB.

Mike

 

[gollum]

One other thing I meant to say. I am not disagreeing with much of the historical possibilities of your posts. The Nazi's had a big following here in America, until they attacked our allies and started doing things that weren't very P.C. I also know the US is not above bankrolling countries and people that might seem at odds with our national interests, but you and I are rarely ever in a position to know exactly what is, and what is not in our national interest. A perfect for instance:

Know why we went into Iraq in 2003? Had nothing to do with their oil. Nothing to do with spreading democracy in the world. Nothing to do with revenge against Saddam for sending a hit squad after Bush's daddy. There were three countries that very much opposed the US going into Iraq:

1. Russia (because they had about $4.7Billion in oil contracts with Iraq.

2. Germany ? No real reason given

3. France ? No real reason given

Here is why we invaded Iraq in 2003:

At the time, the Euro was VERY strong against the dollar. Iraq was going to sponsor GERMANY and FRANCE at the next OPEC Meeting in August of 2003. The reason was so that Germany and France would try and convince OPEC that the dollar was dead, and OPEC should drop the dollar as the International unit of exchange for oil, and use the Euro. If that would have happened, every country in the world that kept a stockpile of US Dollars to trade oil and gas would have bought up Euros and dumped all their dollars. All that US currency hitting the market at the same time would have devalued to dollar by a minimum of 60-70%. We went into Iraq on 19 March 2003 (the day after my birthday). Germany and France (and the Euro) have never recovered.

....and speaking of Germany. A quick little funny thing I heard on the radio this morning, and an article I just read contain a couple of somewhat disturbing things (if you know anything about history):

Germany's ministry of defence says about 4,000 soldiers are on standby to help manage the arrival of thousands of refugees this weekend.

Simone Hilgers, a spokeswoman for the Upper Bavaria region's government, said that compares with the 5,800 who came Friday. At least two special trains were expected to take some of the refugees on to other parts of Germany.

GERMAN REFUGEE ARTICLE

I think we all know what happened the last time Germans used troops and "special trains" to take refugees to different parts of Germany (Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, Ravensbruch, Sachsenhausen, and many more)!

Mike