'22-D wheat --"what happened?" to this?, HELP from Huntsman, Enamel & all others

[port ewen ace]

'22-D wheat --"what happened?" to this?, HELP from Huntsman, Enamel & all others

the rim is normal--- but the Foreign coin? raised devices
weighs 3.1 grams and slightly out of round.

tearin' my hair out on what is the other coin and HTF did this get born at the Mint



fame & fortune hang in the balance---- so-- enamel, Frank, Mackaydon and all you other "masters of the coin"---- PLEASE--- be generous--- and , before I am bald

 

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[trdking]

The weight of the coin is correct 3.11 gram. The coin has no foreign body. It has been badly damaged. That is all. Sorry

 

[TwoYewts]

Nice find PEA. I would have to disagree with trdking. The "swirl" marking looks too clean to not be a deliberate pattern. Not sure what you have, maybe someone's experiment in trying something instead of Lincoln punched on a foreign planchet. I'll leave that diagnosis to the experienced members; but, to my eyes it does look like more than pmd.

TwoYewts

 

[port ewen ace]

Nice find PEA. I would have to disagree with trdking. The "swirl" marking looks too clean to not be a deliberate pattern. Not sure what you have, maybe someone's experiment in trying something instead of Lincoln punched on a foreign planchet. I'll leave that diagnosis to the experienced members; but, to my eyes it does look like more than pmd.

TwoYewts

exactly my opinion-- a foreign coin design, not "wear" with raised devices and the wheat affected only in the area of the anomaly. what foreign coins were produced by the Mint in 1922

 

[dibdab]

Weird. Did that come out of a roll or a bag?

 

[TwoYewts]

I know the mint produced coins for the Philippines; but, a search of 1920s Philippine coins doesn't show anything promising. Just doing a search of foreign coins 1922 had a result of a 1922 Moroccan coin that had a bunch of similar swirls. Might do a few more searches to see what else Google finds.

 

[TwoYewts]

PEA, here is a starting point of what foreign coins the US produced:

http://www.pdxcoinclub.org/articles/Foreign Coins Struck at US Mints CWNA article with table.pdf

If your guess is right, then looking up images of each foreign planchet of the time period may answer your mystery.

 

[port ewen ace]

got it from my LCS for research & possible sale with a 50/50 split. will ask Mike Diamond to take a peek.
diameter is .75 & .795 so out of round is obvious.

 

[TwoYewts]

cool keep us posted

 

[LooseChange]

From the circular look of the foreign impression, my first thought was that it is Brockage / Strikethru with the fragment being part of a die from a foreign coin that has a center hole.

The 1-Satang (has a center hole) was minted in 1919 in Phili, but not Denver. It even has similar features to your brockage strike thru (if that is what it is). That coin was the first coin with a hole to be minted in a US mint but I don't think it is the source of your specimen. I'm not sure that there are any foreigns with holes that were minted around that time.

 

[dibdab]

It would be one thing to see this on a regular old wheat. To see it on a 22d does increase my suspicion factor...

 

[port ewen ace]

Mike Diamond says--- encased coin with artifacts remaining from the object the wheat was encased in

NOT AN ERROR

glad my noose is in the shop for repair_______ udderwize I be swingin'

 

[Quin]

Mike Diamond says--- encased coin with artifacts remaining from the object the wheat was encased in

NOT AN ERROR

glad my noose is in the shop for repair_______ udderwize I be swingin'

Geez man that's kinda dark...

 

[Argentium]

This is a mystery wrapped in an enigma ! Whether or not it was a product of the mint or post mint , in order for your coin to show raised design elements as it does , clearly the foreign coin would have to have incuse elements at the contact areas on your coin . That's all I got - very interesting find , can't wait to see some more theories on this one !

 

[fmerg]

1922 Saudi Arabia Hejaz Riyal is a very close match

 

[Argentium]

Could you simplify what Mike Diamond's theory is , I don't understand what you were saying that he thinks this is about.

 

[port ewen ace]

Mike feels the wheat was inside a separate ring or other surrounding object and that the surrounding item devices were "struck" into the wheat during the process. search of "encased coins" revealed nothing that would replicate what you see on the wheat.

I'm still "stuck on stupid" with this coin, I'm tempted to read that new book titled "what happened" to try and unravel this---



NAH, scratch that----- maybe the Oak Island guys have the answer on this-----

NAH, scratch THAT TOO ---

the clock is ticking for --enamel, Huntsman & Mackaydon---tick,tick,tick_______

 

[trdking]

The biggest clue factor here is the weight. It is dead nuts spot on for the weight of a 22D. Foreign object or wrong planchlet would skew the weight. This tells me that it is a penny struck on a penny. As far as what happened to it after it left the mint, well I have seen some bizarre things. I have also seen some pretty odd mint errors, but this is not one of them.

 

[enamel7]

I agree with Mike in his assessment.

 

[LooseChange]

Mike Diamond says--- encased coin with artifacts remaining from the object the wheat was encased in . . .

That makes sense. It explains the circular nature of the impression and the out-of-flat (happened when the wheat was forced out of the encasement ring).

An example of an encased wheat . . .