4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTOS

[hammered]

4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

I got to my field about 07.30 this morning but the farmer had only plowed about half of it, and the wrong half at that . So we had to be content with the "Button" end of the field. Still, I wasn't disappointed with my finds, a fairly good range I think. It would have been better, but I must have caught the volume dial for my headphones before I started and I didn't realise, it was below 1/4, until the last row . That's when I started to get decent results, anyway on with the pics.

Pic 1) These are the good buttons, including a 17th century "nipple" button, 2 livery buttons with a stags head, 3 military buttons and a "Rochford Union" button.

Pic 2) A closer look at the livery buttons

Pic 3) A sample of todays lead

Pic 4) Some of the more interesting bits. The buckle, thimble and winders I have id'd, but the other items are, as yet, unknown to me

Pic 5&6) A closer look at the items I have not id'd yet

Pic 7& 8 ) A Viccy Ha'penny and farthing ( in soak now) 1860 and 1881 respectively


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hammered

 

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[CRUSADER]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field

I just gave it a quick clean and took some new photo's.

Pic 1) Vertical view of front

Pic 2) Oblique view of front

Pic 3) Vertical view of underside


Hammered

Excellent, I recognise it now as a winged beast, often referred to as a Griffin. Now I need to remember my reference, but pretty sure its a Norman belt mount

PS. Did a little digging about, its contemporary to the Lion type Mounts described as 'mounts' or buckle plates, clearly these buckle plates (if they are right) where seperate from the buckle frame itself & must have sat next to it for extra decor (could also be a winged Lion or Griffin as previously mentioned). I've seen them sold as Norman, Saxon, Viking, but on balance I think the book which places them in the early Medieval (post Norman) period to be most likely. Therefore, I'm going with early 13th century. With some research it will be easy to pin it down for sure, as I have seen quite a few (not found any yet)

 

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Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

The UKDFD have just got back to me and said, provisionally, that it is Romanesque, and when I looked that up all I could find was "Romanesque refers to the art of Western Europe from approximately 1000 AD to the rise of the Gothic style in the 13th century" I don't know if this helps?.


hammered

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

The UKDFD have just got back to me and said, provisionally, that it is Romanesque, and when I looked that up all I could find was "Romanesque refers to the art of Western Europe from approximately 1000 AD to the rise of the Gothic style in the 13th century" I don't know if this helps?.


hammered

Yeap, Romanesque & 13th century fit just fine Fingers crossed for Norman - rarer than Viking/Saxon

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

Why don't we just add Medieval, Georgien, Victorian, Celtic Hmm wonder if i have missed any

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

Why don't we just add Medieval, Georgien, Victorian, Celtic Hmm wonder if i have missed any

SS

Well it fits into late Saxon early Norman Period...but you can add Viking to that

 

[Roland58]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

Wow, you guys have some great eyes! I didn't see the Griffin until it was mentioned and, then, only after some staring!! Great find!!

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

Why don't we just add Medieval, Georgien, Victorian, Celtic Hmm wonder if i have missed any

SS

Well it fits into late Saxon early Norman Period...but you can add Viking to that

And it doe's as the 2 links I posted reveils...Mid to late 11thc, it also tells you it's a Mount

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

Wow, you guys have some great eyes! I didn't see the Griffin until it was mentioned and, then, only after some staring!! Great find!!

Its easier when you have seen finer examples, then it jumps out a little easier. Took the close up before I worked it out

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

Wow, you guys have some great eyes! I didn't see the Griffin until it was mentioned and, then, only after some staring!! Great find!!

Yep all you had to do was look at the 2 links posted from the UKFD Base


A cast copper-alloy mount decorated in the Viking Urnes style of the 11th century. It is of openwork design and depicts intertwined animals with serpent-like bodies. Some of the peripheral holes are possibly for rivets, as no other means of attachment are evident. Small parts of the mount are missing

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

http://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/278585

Its definately not Viking (anglo-sandinavian), its in the Romanesque style as Hammered quoted. Good news is, it fits in the Late Saxon / Norman period & not the early 13th as I suspected. (12th Century max)

 

[Roland58]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

SS, I did look at your links to the UKD, however, the examples mentioned animals with snake like, intertwined bodies......I didn't see anything referencing the Griffin. That doesn't change the fact that you picked it up as a Viking urnes style mount, hat is off to you! I have sooo much to learn.

Edit: OK, Saxon/Norman period. It sure looks like the one in the link posted......great find, Cru!!!

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

SS, I did look at your links to the UKD, however, the examples mentioned animals with snake like, intertwined bodies......I didn't see anything referencing the Griffin. That doesn't change the fact that you picked it up as a Viking urnes style mount, hat is off to you! I have sooo much to learn.

Its not Urnes style at all.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

http://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/278585

Its definately not Viking (anglo-sandinavian), its in the Romanesque style as Hammered quoted. Good news is, it fits in the Late Saxon / Norman period & not the early 13th as I suspected. (12th Century max)

That's a flat buckle, hammerds piece is clearly concaved.

SS

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

SS, I did look at your links to the UKD, however, the examples mentioned animals with snake like, intertwined bodies......I didn't see anything referencing the Griffin. That doesn't change the fact that you picked it up as a Viking urnes style mount, hat is off to you! I have sooo much to learn.

Edit: OK, Saxon/Norman period. It sure looks like the one in the link posted......great find, Cru!!!

It wasn't me who picked up the Urness style

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

http://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/278585

Its definately not Viking (anglo-sandinavian), its in the Romanesque style as Hammered quoted. Good news is, it fits in the Late Saxon / Norman period & not the early 13th as I suspected. (12th Century max)

That's a flat buckle, hammerds piece is clearly concaved.

SS

Its of the same period/style & based on the common lion type but often dubbed a griffin. Also winged Lions is the symbol of St. Mark the Evangelist, and is used as the logo for St. Mark. This symbol comes from St. Mark's description of John the Baptist's voice "crying out in the wilderness" upon hearing the Word of God (Mark 1:3).

 

[Roland58]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

SS, my apology for attributing you to the 'urnes' style. I'm just going to sit back and learn. You folks are terrific and I envy your territories to hunt!

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

SS, my apology for attributing you to the 'urnes' style. I'm just going to sit back and learn. You folks are terrific and I envy your territories to hunt!

No problem we are all here to learn, it is a Mount, but for what I know it's not a belt mount, as it looks concaved.

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

You folks are terrific and I envy your territories to hunt!

Not that terrific, as I have plenty to learn, problem is I learnt so much its popped out the other side. Also sources of these types are often conflicting, so its down to experience what you wish to believe. This Lion derivative is Rare & as its in the Norman (bracket) highly collectable. Very few items fall into this period, so its something to treasure. However, there is still plenty of study left to ensure we get these right in the future, as many styles lingered longer than many acedemics first recorded.

 

[hammered]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

Thanks for all the input guys , just goes to show though, when it came out of the ground I didn't think it was much .


hammered

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: 4 hours on my fave field-NEW PHOTO'S

Thanks for all the input guys , just goes to show though, when it came out of the ground I didn't think it was much .


hammered

Two of my Viking finds have both been recovered from the scrap bucket sometimes you just don't know what you have specially when it's covered in crud

SS