A SAD DAY... Big Brother IS Watching...Some advice for you all.

[golden silver]

Today was a sad and alarming day for me guys. I know some of you have your own stories to tell but now I Golden Silver have one of my own. Are you sitting down? Today I was interogated by NCIS. To those who do not know that is the Military's form of the FBI. I will try and make this brief but it probably won't be.

At first I did not know why I was there but then I remembered another member of this forum telling a story about getting pulled aside at his bank and asked questions by the FBI. I have to be honest I am not sure I bought the story completely until now. They began by asking me my backround information and asked me if I handle a lot of money on the regular basis. I said that I did. Then they proceded to ask how many bank accounts that I have and I was up front and honest. I told them about 10 and where I had them. They asked me why I had them and I explained this hobbie. I am sorry but In this instance I think I am allowed to break rules #1 and #2 of CRHing. It is noteworthy to mention that they were stone faced and serious durring the entire questioning. I was very nervous but stayed straight faced and tried to appear calm because I knew if I was jittery they would be suspicious of my nervousness. They asked me how much a week I went through and how much money per year have I gone through. I said that I was not completely sure but it was over $200,000. Can you believe this guys but they new exactly how much I had gone through. They said it was more like $300,000. What they did next shocked me even more. They pulled out of a black bag a box full of torn wrappers. Lo and behold it was one of my boxes I had thrown away months ago in a dumpster. They had it in their possession. They then asked me if I had been to Harper Ferry West Va. and I said yes. Believe it or not they knew all the road trips I had been on and where. They asked if I had gone to Casinos and I said that I had not. They found it very odd that I did the amount of searching that I had done and that it was actually worth my time. I said that it was worth my time and that I plan on selling some for a down payment on a house. I explained my plans only because they asked what I was doing with the coin. I repeated over and over again that it was just a hobbie and that I am a sailor working to provide for my family and do this to help me save for the future. To show the extent of how much they know...they knew that when tellers asked me what I do with the coin I change stories and don't tell the truth like so many on this website. They knew that sometimes I would dump several thousand at different banks on the same day. All of this drew attention to them.

The Climax of the story and the most shocking part I think is that they followed me to my home. They wanted to come in and see my silver stash. I would not believe it if it did not just happen to me this morning. My wife is in disbelief and my Dad says we do not live in the same country anymore. It has not been the same country for a while now.

So a word of caution If this happened to me it is just a matter of time that someone is knocking on your doors. Be prepared. Another scary thing is that they showed me a law on paper that gives them the right to confiscate property (or in other words silver) if they feel you have carried out an illegal bank transaction which according to the law means several back to back transaction exceding $10,000 or more. I can provide the exact copy of this law and the wording to anyone who wishes to know it.

So what you thought they did not know about you they most certainly do.

...They know what you buy and when and where you buy it.

...They know where you search on the internet.

... They know where you live and work and where your family is.

... They can hear your phone conversations

... They can hear conversations inside your house via your cell phone even if you are not talking on your cell phone or when it is turned off. (So take your battery out if you want privacy at all).

This was a Sad and Scary wake up call of a day for me hope it does not happen to you. In the end they said they were satisfied that I was not a terrorist and would move on but I am still in shock. What a welcome back to the Great U.S of A!! God Bless.

Golden Silver

 

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[mrs.oroblanco]

Hey you, Mike!

Just read my post #227, and then read Fredness's quote of my post!!!!!


Oh, its just one of those days!

B

 

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[gollum]

gollum,

May I ask you why you have so much faith in the government? It is not a living briething entity and it has no moral conscience. If an human being can say he is your friend and then stab you in the back how much more could a government do to you. What I am getting at is blind faith and trust may be warranted with an individual (a human being with conscience and morals) or with a perfect being such as God but much less so with a government especially one that seems to be more and more corrupt.

golden silver

That's a pretty simple question there GS, and one you should be able to answer yourself.

I spent the greater part of my young life being a big part of the fist (instead of the glove) of US Foreign Policy. I was in a position of authority at a very young age (a position which held the lives of several other young men on the quality of my decision making). People who are in a position of authority usually get there by earning that authority. They spend years working and showing their superiors that they are capable of handling the awesome responsibility of being in a position of authority. I did. I know very well how things work in the military. The Officer Corps is somewhat different. There is MUCH more to do with Politics and Political Correctness. Same with government and Police. By the nature of their jobs, they are in positions of authority. I know that in some cases there will be folks that abuse their authority, but not for the vast majority

THAT is why (unless there is evidence to the contrary) I will always give the benefit of the doubt to the person(s) who's job is the authority figure.

Best-Mike

 

[gollum]

Hey you, Mike!

Just read my post #227, and then read Fredness's quote of my post!!!!!


Oh, its just one of those days!

B

Actually not. Go back to your post #210. Here is the quote:

I am curious - I'd like one single example - just one - where a terrorist, or potential terrorist - has been dealing in dimes, quarters and half-dollars at a bank. Just one.

Mike

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Ok, you win!!!

I don't feel like going back any further - I made the "assumption" that Fredness was actually answering the post he had highlighted.

B

 

[mistergee]

People who are in a position of authority usually get there by earning that authority.

sorry Mike but i have to disagree here. its not WHAT you know, its WHO you know. i'm not saying thats how you did it, but thats how its done more so than not. i think it is done less so in the military until you get to the top. that's when the real people in power decide. did Bush (the son) work his way up any ladder? the man couldn't even read what was written for him half the time. did Obama work his way up? seemed like he was nowhere on the radar before he was "picked" to run. how about Sarah Palin? where did she come from? i know Alaska, but what did she do to deserve a chance at V.P.? my point is the "real" people in charge (big oil, huge corporations, etc.) with thier huge wealth and many many lobbyists, are the ones who choose which candidates we get to vote for.
i see this everyday where i work now. i have watched many, many people who were not even closely eligible for a position walk right past those of us who were because thier mother or father is an elected official. one guy that was brought in and started at a position making 6 figures, was found that his last job was a sales clerk at Radio Shack. and he was making some pretty serious decisions on things he had no experience in. the sad thing is they didn't even try to see what was going on before making decisions. they didn't ask the people who had been here for years what worked and what didn't. they would say "do this" and the people below would shake thier heads because it had been tried before and failed. one guy who never even worked here before but became the top guy (through politics) when told that we did tried the same thing a few years ago and spent considerable money on it only to have it fail said "i know, i know, i see a few of you shaking your heads and saying you've seen this before, but you haven't seen this before from me"
sorry for the rant, but in my opinion based on my experiences its true "its not what you know but who you know" or better yet " its not what you know but what you can do for me and my interests".

 

[placerman]

People who are in a position of authority usually get there by earning that authority.

sorry Mike but i have to disagree here. its not WHAT you know, its WHO you know. i'm not saying thats how you did it, but thats how its done more so than not. i think it is done less so in the military until you get to the top. that's when the real people in power decide. did Bush (the son) work his way up any ladder? the man couldn't even read what was written for him half the time. did Obama work his way up? seemed like he was nowhere on the radar before he was "picked" to run. how about Sarah Palin? where did she come from? i know Alaska, but what did she do to deserve a chance at V.P.? my point is the "real" people in charge (big oil, huge corporations, etc.) with thier huge wealth and many many lobbyists, are the ones who choose which candidates we get to vote for.
i see this everyday where i work now. i have watched many, many people who were not even closely eligible for a position walk right past those of us who were because thier mother or father is an elected official. one guy that was brought in and started at a position making 6 figures, was found that his last job was a sales clerk at Radio Shack. and he was making some pretty serious decisions on things he had no experience in. the sad thing is they didn't even try to see what was going on before making decisions. they didn't ask the people who had been here for years what worked and what didn't. they would say "do this" and the people below would shake thier heads because it had been tried before and failed. one guy who never even worked here before but became the top guy (through politics) when told that we did tried the same thing a few years ago and spent considerable money on it only to have it fail said "i know, i know, i see a few of you shaking your heads and saying you've seen this before, but you haven't seen this before from me"
sorry for the rant, but in my opinion based on my experiences its true "its not what you know but who you know" or better yet " its not what you know but what you can do for me and my interests".

Part of me wants to say this has nothing to do with the original post, but in a way it does.

GS was investigated because he made some transactions that set off alarms. I get that. That's how the system is supposed to work.

What I don't get is how some supposedly intelligent people wasted months investigating him when it would have been so easy to figure out with minimal investigation. These people actually went through his garbage, bugged his phone, followed him around, probably got access to his phone records and internet activity, and for what? I mean seriously, it would have taken ANYONE with a minimum of intelligence to figure out he was not some criminal and this was simply a hobby.

Anyone familiar with these types of activities knows it isn't cheap. They probably spent 100,000 dollars or more of YOUR AND MY money on this.


As far as people in authority being there because they earned it, that is simply not true, not even 20% of the time.

I know a young man who got a job right out of high school as a vice president making 200k a year, because his father was a CEO. The kid spent more time in rehab for drug addiction that at work and never not even a single time contributed to the running of that company.

Several of the hospitals here are run that way as well. I know a guy who was promoted to VP at a hospital because his father was administrator of the hospital. They asked him to go to college and he failed out of every class he took for 10 years. Eventually he bought a diploma from one of those diploma mills from a college that doesn't exist. Nowadays he has 4 "assistants' who basically do the job he would do if he could actually string two sentences together.

 

[gollum]

Mistergee,

I wasn't talking about business so much as Military, Police, Detectives, etc. The position of authority your boss at work has over you is WAY different than the position of authority that a Police Officer has. If your boss at work tells you to do something you don't want to do, you have every right to tell him/her to "Go F*** YOURSELF!". Granted, you will probably be doing that as you are collecting your final paycheck, I wouldn't recommend trying that the next time you get pulled over for speeding. HAHAHA

As far as politics go, I think that it is the beauty of our system of government, that we DON'T necessarily elect professional politicians to office. While I despise Obama, he spent much of his life as a community activist, and he got into politics to further his goals as an activist. I hope all of you who voted for him are happy with the results! HAHAHA Sarah Palin was first a Mayor then the Governor of the State of Alaska. While she might not have had any foreign relations experience, I don't know of ANY president (except maybe Eisenhower) that was very well rounded in Commanding People, dealing with Foreign Government Types, etc. Heck, I could do a bang up job as President having zero experience in politics. The key is to surround yourself with experienced people to advise you well.

While you're talking about experience, why don't you research how much experience George Washington had in politics. He was a Captain in the British Army when he fought the French and Indians for the Brits. He then commanded the Revolutionary Forces until we achieved independence. Look at Abraham Lincoln. A Kentucky/Indiana/Illinois Country Bumpkin that was schooled in a one room schoolhouse. Actually, he had less than two years of formal schooling. He served one term in the Illinois State Legislature. One term in the House of Representatives, and then President.

I don't care how much or what kind of experience anybody has. What I look at is what they do and who they surround themselves with. Look at Obama. One of his early heroes and mentors was a man named Frank Marshall Davis, an avowed communist. He started his political career with a "get to know your candidate" party at the home of an avowed communist and American Terrorist (William Ayers). He sat in the pew of a church for twenty years listening to the rantings of a man that hates whites and jews, and wanted you to believe he didn't hear any of that. Once in office, his choice for "Green Jobs Czar" was another avowed communist (Van Jones). Energy and Environment Czar – Carol Browner, who has worked for the Socialist International.

I knew exactly what kind of person Obama was. Many of you listened only to what he said, and didn't pay attention to what he did and who he surrounded himself with. I know. I know. I know. Everybody's going to say "NOT ME! I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM!" That's right nobody voted for him. That's why he won by a landslide. Just like porn. 90% of Americans say it is horrible and sets a bad example, but pornography generates about $100,000,000,000 (that's one hundred BILLION dollars) per year. How many people today will admit they bought a Back Street Boys Album/CD? HAHAHA Don't get me wrong; I don't care about porn, drugs, prostitution, etc. I think those are all individual decisions. When they impact other people adversely (theft, robbery, etc) is when the laws we already have are broken they should be prosecuted.

REMEMBER: Don't believe ONE WORD of what ANY politician says. Closely review their prior actions. Closely look at the people they surround themselves with. That will tell you more about their true selves than any hot air coming out of their mouths.

Enough of my ranting here.

Best-Mike

 

[golden silver]

I agree that you are the company you keep. I don't think too many here voted for Obama and I don't appreciate you implying that most of us are liars on this forum. You say some intelligent things then you lose all credability when you do stuff like that. Oh I know you will come back and say "No I didn't imply that." Anyway like I said about 50 responses ago I think we have covered what we needed to cover here so let us get back to coins.

golden silver

 

[gollum]

I agree that you are the company you keep. I don't think too many here voted for Obama and I don't appreciate you implying that most of us are liars on this forum. You say some intelligent things then you lose all credability when you do stuff like that. Oh I know you will come back and say "No I didn't imply that." Anyway like I said about 50 responses ago I think we have covered what we needed to cover here so let us get back to coins.

golden silver

HAHAHA I never used the word "MOST". Why so defensive?

But I agree. Back to coins.

Mike

 

[gollum]

Oh,

One other thing I forgot to say about the previous subject:

While I do give the benefit of the doubt to authority figures, when they are found to be abusing their authority, I believe they should be punished 10 times more severely than an ordinary person guilty of the same crime (perjury, illegal wiretaps, etc).

Mike

 

[AGCoinHunter]

I don't think too many here voted for Obama

Thats a bit of an understatement.

The thread that never dies....

 

[lookdown]

Re: The legality of wire tapping etc. They can and will do anything they want. Its just not admissible in court.
You have the right to remain silent.
Nuf said.

 

[obediah]

Re: The legality of wire tapping etc. They can and will do anything they want. Its just not admissible in court.
You have the right to remain silent.
Nuf said.

We actually have NO rights today, under Homeland inSecurity they can do as they will, pick you up hold and transport you wherever & indefinitely without representation or writ of Habeus Corpus; it is in fact being done routinely now and none of the Network [Establishment] Media sources is reporting on the arrests and literal kidnapping- detainment's of citizens.

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http://www.steelonsteel.com/broadcasts.php

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

They have the right to what is called a "roving wire-tap" and a "sneak and peek" and it is admissible in court.

B

 

[djui5]

Well I didn't read every post in this thread, so it this was said before then excuse me, but I think it is glaringly obvious why the original poster was spoken to/followed.

He had 10 bank accounts. Hello, red flag.
He was doing bank transactions that exceeded over $300,000 a year, when he probably makes QUITE a lot less than that. Hello, red flag.
He lied to the tellers. HELLO!!!!
He drove all over the place looking for things buried in the ground. HELLO!!!
He is in the Military while doing all of this during a time that we are at WAR!!! HELLO!!!!!

See the pattern here? It is no wonder they were following you. It is also not surprising they found everything out about you that they had. The gov, even private investigators, can find out a LOT of info about you by following you around undetected for a month or so.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Well, there you go. He deserved to be investigated.

Actually, I think I missed the part where it said he was in the military.

I thought he said that the NCIS investigated him, not that he was in the military.

B

 

[mistergee]

Well I didn't read every post in this thread, so it this was said before then excuse me, but I think it is glaringly obvious why the original poster was spoken to/followed.

He had 10 bank accounts. Hello, red flag.
He was doing bank transactions that exceeded over $300,000 a year, when he probably makes QUITE a lot less than that. Hello, red flag.
He lied to the tellers. HELLO!!!!
He drove all over the place looking for things buried in the ground. HELLO!!!
He is in the Military while doing all of this during a time that we are at WAR!!! HELLO!!!!!

See the pattern here? It is no wonder they were following you. It is also not surprising they found everything out about you that they had. The gov, even private investigators, can find out a LOT of info about you by following you around undetected for a month or so.

yes this was all said before.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

But its not really $300,000 worth of transactions, is it? If you put in what you take out, the only real transaction is dollars for coins. that's not changing a bank balance in any way.

So, if I wash cars everyday for someone, and I come in and trade dollars for quarters everyday, three or four times a day, I'm on a terrorist watch list. And, though I don't CRH as a regular hobby, I do have 5 bank accounts. Gee - where are my personal feds?

I'm sorry - I still think it is BS - and I think they KNEW he was coin-hunting. They saw and had his trash, wrappers from unrolled coins.

I think they were harassing him.

B

 

[AGCoinHunter]

Its all been said before..... once again the thread that never dies.

 

[jrf30]

Its all been said before..... once again the thread that never dies.

I miss the old avator you had (The picture)