American exceptionalism

[Red James Cash]

Dano i can smell your jealousy from here,maybe you should open a book sometime in your life it may help you out.

You caught me on a technicality

Bill i wasnt trying to catch anybody on anything.I dont circle around like a vulture waiting to pick at peoples posts like some people seem to do here.Though i could i wont mention names.Actually burning at the stake for witchcraft does still happen in todays world.

 

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[Dano Sverige]

Why should i be jealous of something i've known for years lol? I've also probably read more books than you've shot bullets mate!

 

[Red James Cash]

Why should i be jealous of something i've known for years lol? I've also probably read more books than you've shot bullets mate!

That i doubt very much Dano.

 

[dieselram94]

Just a different slant, what is the cost of welfare?.......

this might be exceptional: the moving figure for the cost of two wars as of 7:00 am Eastern time was $1,410,157,000,000.00 and that was looking out for U.S. interests.

you can find out what it cost you/your city/or state by checking out www.costofwar.com

 

[bigscoop]

I would love to see what these forums/threads would have looked/read like 100 years ago.

 

[releventchair]

I would love to see what these forums/threads would have looked/read like 100 years ago.

Probably black and white screen.

 

[dieselram94]

There would be even stronger support for the constitution, for sure. More common sense back then. Less of a socialist view.

 

[bill from lachine]

Red,

I resemble that statement....lol.....actually I consider myself more of a cantankerous buzzard....wait until they're road kill and pick their bones clean....but then again you have your moments also...

Regards + HH

Bill

Dano i can smell your jealousy from here,maybe you should open a book sometime in your life it may help you out.



Bill i wasnt trying to catch anybody on anything.I dont circle around like a vulture waiting to pick at peoples posts like some people seem to do here.Though i could i wont mention names.Actually burning at the stake for witchcraft does still happen in todays world.

 

[bill from lachine]

bigscoop,

They'd just take the riff raff....not mentioning names mind out the the biggest tree and have a good ole public hanging and then roast up a batch of pulled pork and have a party all washed down with some good moonshine....lol.

Regards + HH

Bill

I would love to see what these forums/threads would have looked/read like 100 years ago.

 

[Crispin]

Treasure Hunter: I don't disagree with anything you posted. I know it was a rhetorical question; no, I do not want my kids to live under a totalitarian government. This is not an attack against you, let me try to explain myself a little better. (Red, feel free not to respond...since you have no interest in debating me.)

Myself, BigScoop, Bill, Rebel, Ammon, Dano and others have never said that we want to totally disarm people. In fact, all of us would take up arms with you if the government tried to do that. None of us want to give up any of the ten amendments. What I am saying, is that perhaps we need to place some limits on the types of guns people own. The constitution states the right to bear arms, but it does not say what type of arms. Lets take things the opposite way for a second. Lets increase arms availability; however, lets not stop at automatic guns. Lets not stop at tanks, or bomber planes, or Napalm, or nuclear weapons. In fact, lets take things one step farther, lets give civilians the right to own chemical weapons. With the proper knowledge, supplies, and laboratory chemical weapons are not difficult to manufacture. Do you want any American citizen to have access to chemical weapons? You could take out a whole stadium in a heartbeat. So we have to have some restrictions on arms, the question becomes, what limits are those? I don't have the answer to this question, I know little about guns. That is why I am asking those of you who know the most.

I don't own a gun. I have samurai swords and knives in hidden places in my house. You may or may not have noticed when we hunted but I have an essential resting tremor. I also have myoclonic jerks in my hands, arms, and legs. Myoclonic jerks are when your body twitches without you wanting it to. If I did have a gun I would most likely miss my target or shot somebody on accident. I do not want people with my conditions to own a gun.

Most Americans I grew up with did not have guns as a part of their culture. there is no hunting in major cities. When bad guys try to kill you it is usually on the streets and suddenly. I know people who were held up by a gun and were carrying a concealed weapon. They gave their wallet and never drew their weapon. They said nothing in their wallet was worth the chance. I have nothing but the utmost respect for veterans. Just as veterans have dedicated their lives to protecting their fellow man I have dedicated my life to preserving and saving lives. It is hard for me to look at guns as anything other then weapons to kill, but yet my views on the necessity of protecting the right to bear arms is very similiar to yours. ...you know what I'm trying to say here.

Crispin

 

[Red James Cash]

Bill ,youre assuming again,the vulture remark was not pointed at you.Next time i wont waste my time and try to help you out by correcting you when you make a mistake that has to do with history,I'll leave it so that someday you may find out for yourself.

 

[dieselram94]

Crispin, I know you don't like the "slippery slope" argument but I really feel if we allow any change to any of the amendments it will just grease that slippery slope. Every time lawmakers pass a law it is always the same more and more restrictive. Taking the guns will only get them away from the good guys, just leaves the bad guys armed (we know they won't turn them in). But on a more important level it makes the govt. that much less afraid of the people. Meaning they will just become more and more tyrannical. It is already against the law to own fully automatic weapons with out a license. They are really going after semi automatic weapons right now and calling them assault weapons. They are not assault weapons....stop and think, this in itself is proof of a tyrannical govt.

 

[bill from lachine]

Red,

I was just poking fun mostly at myself....don't sweat it.

Regards + HH

Bill

Bill ,youre assuming again,the vulture remark was not pointed at you.Next time i wont waste my time and try to help you out by correcting you when you make a mistake that has to do with history,I'll leave it so that someday you may find out for yourself.

 

[Red James Cash]

No problem bill,no sweat here.

 

[bill from lachine]

Crispin,

Well said....heck if push comes to shove I'd even protect Red's back in a scenario like that......

Regards + HH

Bill

Treasure Hunter: I don't disagree with anything you posted. I know it was a rhetorical question; no, I do not want my kids to live under a totalitarian government. This is not an attack against you, let me try to explain myself a little better. (Red, feel free not to respond...since you have no interest in debating me.)

Myself, BigScoop, Bill, Rebel, Ammon, Dano and others have never said that we want to totally disarm people. In fact, all of us would take up arms with you if the government tried to do that. None of us want to give up any of the ten amendments. What I am saying, is that perhaps we need to place some limits on the types of guns people own. The constitution states the right to bear arms, but it does not say what type of arms. Lets take things the opposite way for a second. Lets increase arms availability; however, lets not stop at automatic guns. Lets not stop at tanks, or bomber planes, or Napalm, or nuclear weapons. In fact, lets take things one step farther, lets give civilians the right to own chemical weapons. With the proper knowledge, supplies, and laboratory chemical weapons are not difficult to manufacture. Do you want any American citizen to have access to chemical weapons? You could take out a whole stadium in a heartbeat. So we have to have some restrictions on arms, the question becomes, what limits are those? I don't have the answer to this question, I know little about guns. That is why I am asking those of you who know the most.

I don't own a gun. I have samurai swords and knives in hidden places in my house. You may or may not have noticed when we hunted but I have an essential resting tremor. I also have myoclonic jerks in my hands, arms, and legs. Myoclonic jerks are when your body twitches without you wanting it to. If I did have a gun I would most likely miss my target or shot somebody on accident. I do not want people with my conditions to own a gun.

Most Americans I grew up with did not have guns as a part of their culture. there is no hunting in major cities. When bad guys try to kill you it is usually on the streets and suddenly. I know people who were held up by a gun and were carrying a concealed weapon. They gave their wallet and never drew their weapon. They said nothing in their wallet was worth the chance. I have nothing but the utmost respect for veterans. Just as veterans have dedicated their lives to protecting their fellow man I have dedicated my life to preserving and saving lives. It is hard for me to look at guns as anything other then weapons to kill, but yet my views on the necessity of protecting the right to bear arms is very similiar to yours. ...you know what I'm trying to say here.

Crispin

 

[Crispin]

In case there are any criminals following this thread...This is my idea of an assault weapon.

 

[Crispin]

DieselRam: Now that I know you better, I know you didn't mean anything by it, but to say "stop and think" kind of implies that I was not thinking at all before. My friend, I wish I could stop thinking on command, I would sleep a lot better.

I don't want to get too far into the slippery slope argument. The reason I don't like it is that it can be used for any argument in both directions. The slipperly slope implies that we (all of us) are too simple to make some choices without letting it get out of control. It also makes it very hard to have a discussion when somebody says, "slippery slope."

We have talked a little about tyranny and its definition. I think it would be splitting hairs to debate the definition it, so I'll avoid doing it and answer your question directly. No, that is not my idea of tyranny. I don't know if semi-automatic guns should be banned or not. I have never even held a semi-automatic gun. I am a healer. I have sutured, delivered babies, casted bones, pronounced dead...etc...etc. Guns to me represent death. I realize they are a necessary part of society. I know people enjoy hunting, target shooting, and other hobbies with guns. I love to collect things so I totally understand why somebody would want a gun collection. However, in my line of work, after a long hard day filled with tears and pain the last thing I want to see is a gun. So, it is hard for me to understand why people need to have semi-automatic guns. If there are logical explanations then I will change my opinion. If it keeps going back to "2nd amendment" then I don't see it yet. Not saying I am right, just saying that I don't see it.

 

[Red James Cash]

Hate to tell you crispin,that most likely has a stainless steel blade.Hit anything hard enough with it the blade will most likely snap.Stainless steel is brittle,high carbon steel isnt.

heres some real steel for you

 

[bill from lachine]

Crispin,

In the right hands those will certainly do the trick.....a short video to illustrate what they're capable of:-



Regards + HH

Bill


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[Crispin]

Red: That looks too scary for me. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night with it in my house. I would be too afraid that it would get up in the middle of the night, walk out into the street, and start killing people on its own.