Archaeologists hate you...........

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I'm a collector/hunter. Been hunting for over 20 years. But by no means does this make me an expert on artifacts. There are too many regions and too many flint types, and all I've ever hunted were ohio artifacts 90 percent adena and hopewell. Over the years on some of these artifact forums I have seen folks getting pretty interested in the artifacts they are finding and search for a broader understanding of prehistory. During this search I have seen people come to believe that they have anthropology degrees or have attended extensive lithic technology seminars. When in reality they are just well read rednecks unable to understand or put forth usable data available for the archaeological record. I made a comment few weeks ago on here about how I'm surprised that the government hasn't already taken away our rights to claim artifacts on private lands for ourselves (got 2 likes). But I'm not so sure I can say that I fully believe this. Maybe the government should step in and stop the hunting and sells of prehistorical relics. Doesn't prehistory belong to all of us. But the arrowhead hunter wants to dispute this on the claim that well these artifacts are just going to sit out there surfacing and reburying themselves, getting broke due to progress. Also we claim that this is my property or someone giving permissions property and what is on that property then belongs to them and the government has no right to take what is on ones property. Then there are the one's who make profits from buying and selling relics, the real enemies of the archaeological record. These folks disburse relics from their regions and mix up the record beyond comprehension. But at the same time so have government involvements and political relations. A large percent of ohio mound recoveries are in a museum in london or paris or some city abroad (forget where). So whats the big deal you might ask about something being put out of its region it still has study value and its history. Its not really about the disbursal but the separation of data. For example if one group of archs specializing in one culture had that one cultures complete record in front of them and available at any given time they could group together more specific data leading to a more comprehensive conclusions to prehistory, esp. when technology is getting more advanced and different techniques and ideas are being learned, we in turn as humankind may advance as we learn new things about ourselves as humans and thats what the whole study of lithics is based on, archaeology and anthropology, which isnt just studying about how rocks were knapped or how an axe was pecked, its more a look back to help organize our future. I used to think, how much can we learn from ancient cultures, there may be more to record but its going to lead eventually back to the beginning of man and heck we all know man began right. But the television show ancient aliens has opened my eyes to a whole new thinking :laughing7: (ya gotta love that right) yeah that show is pretty silly but some aspects of it is pretty interesting like the cities with stones cut with unexplainable precision etc. This leads me to look at things in a bit different. There is still lots to learn and I sometimes feel that when seeing shelters being dug and other sites I've seen people digging in on here that we might be helping to ruin a history we need to know. Take for example the silurian point found in va. that was 17,000 years old. That lone point rewrote the history of migration to north america dismantling the alaskan land bridge theory and showed us that native americans were a mix of asian and caucasian peoples. Just think if some collector from virginia found that and had it in his collection never to be studied.
 

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I found you one too

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To get back on topic....sorry......Archaeologists need potholers, world history needs us. We are usually the ones that stumble upon these sites because the Archaeologists lack funding. Without doubt, potholers have expedited the current written record and will continue to do so. It's a shame that we fear to either continue to hunt artifacts and/or display our finds for fear of prison time and huge fines. Yes, North American history will be rewritten again and again if potholers continue to do what we do....dig!

Don't be surprised if a potholer unearths a Neanderthal in a North American rock shelter one day. After all, evidence does support that all the continents were once connected. Wouldn't you like to be THE one that helps rewrite the books?

I'll be digging :thumbsup:
 

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more than you could imagine


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Now how else was I gonna title it?! It just wouldn't have been very narcissistic correct to give it any other title.

that avatar looks great you should keep it :thumbsup:
 

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I think Birdcloud is a little confused too...like most of us...regarding whether you're a digger or not. One week you are, the next week it's taboo and your slamming those that do......oh...just those of us that dig shelters....digging an open campsite is just fine........did I get that right?
 

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i was in a hurry it did say 1320 tv but you can hardly notice on avatar really you should keep it
 

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that campsite was displaced by logging machinery 4 years ago grown over pretty good though now i dug there sunday but i only found a crude jasper tip, base of a beavertail, and 2 pcs obsidian which i only find once in a blue moon. i didn't stay long either mosquitos were killer. I go to this spot when i don't feel like walking its near the rd. I haven't had a chance to dig much lately.
 

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that campsite was displaced by logging machinery 4 years ago grown over pretty good though now i dug there sunday but i only found a crude jasper tip, base of a beavertail, and 2 pcs obsidian which i only find once in a blue moon. i didn't stay long either mosquitos were killer. I go to this spot when i don't feel like walking its near the rd. I haven't had a chance to dig much lately.

Doesn't sound much different that how the Cactus Hill site was found....hmmmm....maybe you should stop digging disturbed campsites...just saying......
 

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here steve don't want you to feel left out


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Is it possible that the first North Americans were "pushed" here by the growing ice cap instead of arriving once it retreated?! If I knew a big freaking glacier was headed my way....Monte Verde would make an excellent destination.....
 

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aliens brought them over

ok im getting rid of this avatar its kinda making me sick
 

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that sounds just like something I would of said.. bet you're a great guy.
 

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jokes on them, I already hate myself.
 

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I control my diggin just fine thanks
 

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