Autumn Hunt , 1700s British Brown Bess buttplate

CMDiamonddawg

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Autumn Hunt , 1700's British Brown Bess buttplate

9-22-10 Last day of summer but within a few hours , First Autumn hunt temp. 90 degrees :P Sure didn't feel like Fall weather > Saturday I forgot my camera on the passenger seat . It baked in the heat and the cheesy ,plastic mechanism that extends the zoom lense is cooked . :( without my trusty digital. I went back to some older turf that had produced colonial buttons and some nice old iron in the past . The button finds started with the first decent hit . Nice pewter buttons ! Hit a spot with a lot of square nails and some shotgun shell tops . Under all these signals I kept hearing this erratic sound , hit something , a brick :icon_scratch: Ran the coil over the brick hole and almost blew my eardrums out . Figures ::) , would have been a good pic & no camera . Looked into the hole ..a brass butt plate ! Ya Hoo ..grabbed it out of it's hiding place ... definitely a piece of a 1700's British Brown Bess :hello2: { A picture of a replica is posted for comparison . For those who are not familiar with this weapon , a brass butt plate is on the bottom of the wooden stock } see pic# 2 ... Some more iron parts that may belong to a gun . I found what looks to be a military cap emblem, with a piece missing , fancy brass plate with letters HM ? , one .69 cal musket ball , and a few more relics . The top of the plate has an small 1/2 " end broken off , it wasn't a fresh break . Most male citizens of the American Colonies were required by law to own arms and ammunition for militia duty. The Bess was a common firearm in use by both sides in the American Revolutionary War. Please forgive my scanner pics , these are the best I can do until I get another camera . Engraved top has the vine border ,in the center is a round or oval shield with two crossed trumpets surrounded by flowers and leaf patterns . {fourth pic} Inside has B 14 stamp that is barely visible . Not cleaned . Any help on the ID of Crossed Trumpets under an Oval Shield would be appreciated . Pic # 9 is an 1853 Enfield parts from last year . Lucky , CW > colonial ! Quite a day, I hope everyone has their BEST cool weather digs !! Thanks for looking . CMD
 

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Kirk PA

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Re: First Fall Hunt is the Bess Hunt

It is nice to see Fall here and the Dawg out diggity dawging it up. :laughing7: Cape May county will be producing some killer coins this Fall. I feel it in my bones. It is supposed to be nice this Sunday, so the KKC team will be back at the Colonial grind. I had to purchase a new Vibra Probe pinpointer this week ($129 deficit :laughing7:).

Kirk :hello:
 

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Re: First Fall Hunt is the Bess Hunt

good start to the fall season dawg :o
 

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Re: First Fall Hunt is the Bess Hunt

Kirk PA said:
It is nice to see Fall here and the Dawg out diggity dawging it up. :laughing7: Cape May county will be producing some killer coins this Fall. I feel it in my bones. It is supposed to be nice this Sunday, so the KKC team will be back at the Colonial grind. I had to purchase a new Vibra Probe pinpointer this week ($129 deficit :laughing7:).

Kirk :hello:
129 more reasons to "Dig with a passion" !! :laughing7: This may be the best Fall for a lot of T Net diggers , Much Success Sunday ..time to turn it up a notch ;D Thanks ,Kirk
umrgolf2010 said:
good start to the fall season dawg :o
J , 18 th Century ,British , field musket butt plate , is awesome ! I know there are some oldies here . Thanks for inspiration and getting me to go out there. Mike
 

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Re: First Fall Hunt is the Bess Hunt

Nice score on the Bess butt Plate and a great early fall hunt ! You will be back there looking for more of that musket ! MaineRelic
 

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Re: Autumn Hunt , 1700's British Brown Bess buttplate

Nice and very historical recovery there DAWG. That site needs a long look. Doesn't feel like Fall in Tennessee either. WTG and HH, Quindy.
 

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Re: Autumn Hunt , 1700's British Brown Bess buttplate

Keep those South Jersey finds a comin! Love the Brown Bess butt plate. I found the ramrod channel to one a while back. Maybe between us both we can find enough parts to rebuild it!


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Re: Autumn Hunt , 1700's British Brown Bess buttplate

Sounds like a great day to me - camera aside.
 

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Re: Autumn Hunt , 1700's British Brown Bess buttplate

Bummer about the Camera, that s.....s ! However the Finds help make up for it a bit. Love the engraving :icon_thumright:
 

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Re: First Fall Hunt is the Bess Hunt

MaineRelic said:
Nice score on the Bess butt Plate and a great early fall hunt ! You will be back there looking for more of that musket ! MaineRelic
Tore a small area up , but got nothin' ,looks like a future hot spot . Have fun and Thanks MR
VOL1266-X said:
Nice and very historical recovery there DAWG. That site needs a long look. Doesn't feel like Fall in Tennessee either. WTG and HH, Quindy.
Still summer as far as we are concerned .90's today :P Yes , a long look, these places once were homes of ship builders , also privateers who raided British shipping .These boy's did a well enough job , that an encampment was built nearby to stop them . I would like to tell you more info , but I would be drawing a map . Research ,then search . Stay cool in Tenn. Quindy
Neil in West Jersey said:
Keep those South Jersey finds a comin! Love the Brown Bess butt plate. I found the ramrod channel to one a while back. Maybe between us both we can find enough parts to rebuild it!




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:D That is nice .. these parts must be scattered all over Jersey ..We both need to build camera's at this point in time ::) :thumbsup:
lidigger said:
Sounds like a great day to me - camera aside.
That is the best part , getting out there and enjoying the hobby ! Thanks lidigger Have Fun dude
Bedfordbob said:
Bummer about the Camera, that s.....s ! However the Finds help make up for it a bit. Love the engraving :icon_thumright:
I need that damn camera and it's not that old >:( Trying to get another one . Anyway when I get something that was part of some history ,I feel much better . Engraving is a thing of beauty but holding the piece over a scanner with the lid open just ain't making it happen ... most here could care less about historic gun parts :laughing7: Thanks Bedford Bob and get some more great stuff out there in God's Country
Brian(upstateNY-Central Fla.) said:
:icon_thumright: nice digs
Thanks Brian Have a good one , bud :thumbsup:
 

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Re: Autumn Hunt , 1700's British Brown Bess buttplate

love the old gun parts, I notice you have a trigger guard is that from the brown bess as well ?
 

DMN

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Re: Autumn Hunt , 1700's British Brown Bess buttplate

Sure you didn't find it in a hole in the stream....??? Where's the rest of it? :laughing7:
Just kidding, what a great find! Maybe you'll be able tofind other parts to it, assuming the whole rifle was lost.
Good Luck.
 

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Re: Autumn Hunt , 1700's British Brown Bess buttplate

Love those Old Brass butt plates. Haven't seen one posted in awhile so congrats to you bud on a very nice relic find and Nice hunt! :icon_thumleft: :wink: :headbang:
 

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Re: Autumn Hunt , 1700's British Brown Bess buttplate

4-H said:
Oh my!

Beautiful finds. Great pictures and story!

Mike
Thanks 4-H Mike , glad you found that pistol , Jeff dug one , I want one now
wwwtimmcp said:
love the old gun parts, I notice you have a trigger guard is that from the brown bess as well ?
Alright , there are gun guy's out there ! :hello: The trigger guard is from a 1853 Enfield ,found the guard ,a trigger ,and the butt plate, last year . Thanks for your interest and have a nice time out there this fall .
DMN said:
Sure you didn't find it in a hole in the stream....??? Where's the rest of it? :laughing7:
Just kidding, what a great find! Maybe you'll be able to find other parts to it, assuming the whole rifle was lost.
Good Luck.
It disappeared :dontknow: unfortunately , the Brown Bess here is just a part :'( but a part that you can see , today . :D Thanks
{Sentinel} said:
Love those Old Brass butt plates. Haven't seen one posted in awhile so congrats to you bud on a very nice relic find and Nice hunt! :icon_thumleft: :wink: :headbang:
Thanks , Josh 1700's Bess is not something that ever turns up anywhere ! Except Valley Forge . :D I am willing to say you will not see another Bess plate for many years , seriously , a lucky hard find ! :icon_pirat: best Autumn dude dawg
 

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