🥇 BANNER Bottle with a note inside 5 to 6 inches deep in the ground.

[cw0909]

needed to edit for more info on FR........

maybe we are getting closer to the guy who wrote the note

i think i have the right Frank Rommel,he is in Haverhill
and has 2 hired hands, ive not checked into the hired
hands yet, maybe i can get to it in a wk or so
this census img says Frank Rommel is a butcher,farmer
& owns a meat market


Frank Rommel
United States Census, 1940
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSVL-786


hired hand John Patterson age 54
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSVL-78N
hired hand Albert Turner, age 20
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSVL-78J

edit:
same man 1930s census, 6 lodgers 1 servant
i think im going to need a few wks to go through the info LOL

[h=4]Frank J Rommel[/h]United States Census, 1930
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X38J-G82

 

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[lovinlife]

All I can say after reading all this is you guys are amazing!!

 

[mojo487]

Yeah this is an absolutely insane thread. One of the coolest things I've seen. Can't wait to see what the place says that Rodger took it to.

 

[junkhunt]

This bottle had an aluminum cap that was glued to a cork in the top. I hit the top and broke it off .Update--->
What i thought was cork was paper that was stuffed in the end of the bottle and it looked like cork.
Not glued like i thought.
It looks like the paper inside the bottle was holding the cap and wasn't screwed on tight. View attachment 1486732 View attachment 1486733 View attachment 1486734 View attachment 1486735 View attachment 1486736 View attachment 1486737 View attachment 1486738 View attachment 1486739 View attachment 1486740


The cap say's FRUIT INDUSTRIES LTD

Federal law forbids sale or reuse of this bottle .
The bottom has R-421 and an R in a triangle and 1-6 .

one side has a 180 and the other side has 5 .

The paper in the small neck is damp and past the small neck the paper is larger so the only way i can get it out is break it so i might do it if the bottle hasen't much value.

Please don't break the bottle, Leave it open and the paper will dry out then you can remove it.

 

[Roger Mn.]

In 2007 i was in this area less tan 200 feet from were i found the bottle and i got 3 Morgan silver dollars 1881,1878-s & 1879.
Also an other hunt in the same area in 2007 less than 200 feet from the bottle by a tree i found 1876 Seated Liberty quarter ,1853 Seated Liberty & 1876 Seated Liberty Half dollar .
In July 2008 in the same area i found 1890-o Morgan dollar.
This year in May in the same area i found 1880 Morgan Silver Dollar.
All these coins have been posted on here in today's finds.
Here is a bucket a few feet from the bottle area that someone made into a cooking stove .
A few cans .
And barrel hoops.
Some bones.

The area were the cabin might have been.
And i was being watched.

 

[WaterScoop]

Simply awesome! Thanx for sharing

 

[cw0909]

In 2007 i was in this area less tan 200 feet from were i found the bottle and i got 3 Morgan silver dollars 1881,1878-s & 1879.
Also an other hunt in the same area in 2007 less than 200 feet from the bottle by a tree i found 1876 Seated Liberty quarter ,1853 Seated Liberty & 1876 Seated Liberty Half dollar .
In July 2008 in the same area i found 1890-o Morgan dollar.
This year in May in the same area i found 1880 Morgan Silver Dollar.
All these coins have been posted on here in today's finds.
Here is a bucket a few feet from the bottle area that someone made into a cooking stove .

love the finds
wow must have been a lot of foot traffic,activity around the bottle site/cabin
so from looking at the Frank J Rommel info do you think it was part of his
farm
havent made much headway on the names/lodgers, the name Gerard Olson
seems to have lived in the area his whole life

 

[BIGSCOTT]

rodgerdodger I went back and looked at the other '' note in a bottle '' that you found
that was pretty cool in it's own rite, and quite a few similarity's and a few clues
you were going to follow up on, seems like you new one of the people mentioned
in that note but he was getting pretty old, if you were to talk to him maybe he could
shed some light on the situation.

 

[Roger Mn.]

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[cw0909]

roger if we should find more info on note writer, or the persons
on the note, do we post here and the museum will find it

 

[Roger Mn.]

Just post it here. They know about this.

 

[cw0909]

is the museum actively looking for info too

 

[BIGSCOTT]

looks like they are, and they are just now getting around to
investigating.

 

[A2coins]

Good research

 

[Roger Mn.]

I don't think the museum is looking for more info.

 

[cyberdan]

I don't think the museum is looking for more info.

I work for our local museum during the summer months. We also do research for people. If something isn't found right away things get put on the back burner. Some people are real good at finding things, I am not. Gotta bug the right person. Here it is the curator, but our museum is small.

 

[Roger Mn.]

I think that if the person that wrote the note would have signed and dated it that it would have been more interesting.

 

[Erik in NJ]

I think it's much more likely he was a patient that worked at the quarry or got out and farmed. The inmates probably got the 25 year old order forms from the on-site butcher when the storage was cleaned out and the 10+ year old 1926 stationary to write on. The writing sounds delusional recalling names from the past in Iowa. Same names and more talk about "robery" occurs in the second buried letter. I suspect he buried scores of these ramblings out there. The odds of the OP finding the only two a block apart from each other are astronomical. My amateur handwriting analysis puts the guy at about 60 when this stuff was written. He did have good penmanship but certainly didn't spell that well. If he was born ca 1880 it fits in that he was training at Ford (letter #2) ca 1900. References to crazy and kook in letter #2 are telling and letter #2 is even more disjointed. Notice Mayo's Hospital (perhaps psych part if they had it) is mentioned in letter 2. I'm sure the guy stems from Linn County, Iowa.

What years did the CCC build these places. Wouldn't most of the names mentioned be too old ca 1930?

Great sleuthing and fascinating thread!

note writer might have been an employ at state hos. in rochester
i think these are live links

Rochester State Hospital (operated 1879-1982)

• Employees: Employment Applications and Correspondence
• Employees: Payroll Records, 1878-1951, of employees
• Employees: Supervisor's Record of Male Employees, 1890-1906
• Patients: Admission and Discharge Records, 1879-1963
• Patients: Miscellaneous Patient Records, 1879-1955
• Patients: Movement of Population Records, 1900-1982
• Patients: Patient Case Books, 1879-1903
• Patients: Patient Indexes, 1879-ca. 1951
• Patients: Patient Registers, 1879-1965
• Patients: Patient Registers and Indexes, 1899-1924
• Patients: Removal of Body Certificates, 1933-1975
• Patients: Superintendent's Letters Sent Regarding Patients
• Check the library catalog for other records
• source
• Family History & Genealogy Resources : MNHS.ORG

 

[DCMatt]

I had forgotten about this thread... It's a really good one.

So, I went back and read through it again (whew!).

I think our approach has been wrong. It isn't a government sponsored organization that's bringing them together. It's Union or political business. Possibly connected to the Farm-Labor Party. 1930 - 36 Minnesota governor was a Farm-Labor Party candidate.

In the early part of the 20th C, the Mid-West was a hot-bed for labor/union organizations. "Milk Wagon" and "yelling in the road" may refer to the Milk Wagon Drivers Union protests/strikes. The "boss" reference also fits the union narrative as does the threat of violence and intimidation not uncommon in that era.

I know that doesn't get us much closer, but it does provide a new angle for research.

 

[Erik in NJ]

Hi Matt, Not sure if you were aware but the OP found three different messages. Interestingly a "boss" is mentioned in all three letters. Here's my best effort at a transcription of the first one that was found (below). Joe Holets is mentioned in two letters. In one letter he's referenced as "crazy Joe Holets.". The dated letter (Aug 5, 1937) references "Ford car company of 1894, Me in school in Monroe [Monroe Township in Linn County?] Cedar Rapids Ia [Iowa] work with Henry Ford there all time..." This third letter has many additional references.

First letter:

Henness[e]y [Patrick Hennessey?, b. 1864, C.R. Ward 1]
Boss 1894
out side
Mother’s house
C. R. Ia [abbreviation for Cedar Rapids, Iowa]
come clean
from B (?)
Man/Min (?)
me want
a old Home
from state
hospital

as pay for
crooks in
on a long
time fraud (?)
____ crooks
found/framed
Hennessy
come there
next day for
the Home (?)
he said [to]
take him ___
of work
not leave
him w__

Dated letter:

Aug 5, 1937
Ford car company of 1894

Me in school
in Monroe [Monroe Township in Linn County?]
Cedar Rapids
Ia [Iowa]
work with
Henry Ford
there all time
so they get a
autto (sic) / ford and
how to build it

[Calendar page: Thursday 7 January 1926]
Freddy Lowery
his son Lowery
at this date

ford plant -
him only one
op[en] (?) him so
him drunk fired
him
he Betty (Belly?) Low calf
1897 put Lowrey there


[Calendar page: Saturday 9 January 1926]
Lowery ford
calf robber
of 1895 - 96
crazy Joe Holets
robed (sic) me for
him
Lowery
Just a
c____ robber
as they told him
in church 1903


[Calendar page: Sunday 10 January 1926]
Lowery Boss
him now a
Job for his son
and for him
too
that was no
too Head nurse
wanted a job for
his daughter him
and there be a
Lowery there and
for his son too
ford plant


[Calendar page: Monday 11 January 1926]
N.B. that this entry in different hand appears to be contemporary with the calendar date regarding work performed by employees of hospital.

Barnes + Hong on Duty
Painting of pavilion
___ created (?) Inf (informal?) dining Room


[Calendar page: Monday 11 January 1926 (upside-down due to existing entry)]
teacher said
alll (sic) ford wanted
to do how to
build it he
never give me
a thing and
let me have a
thing for it only (sic)
rob me f*ck me
with a__g___ so
he could have
the factory


[Calendar page: Friday 6 January 1926 (upside-down)]
old Lady
kook here
same robber in
a cottage too
she her (?) son
again Mayo
Hospital him
and ford the
same Krook (?)
*ss Holes
of 1893