Cannon-Potter ID

[old man]

A friend of mine just sent me some pictures of the below Artifacts. Any help in ID'ing the type and age of any of the artifacts would be appreciated. Looks like I left the Y off of Pottery.

 

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[GatorBoy]

They look like some examples I have.. my first thoughts would be tin glazed Delftware for the blue on off white piece and lead glazed redware on a few others including the underwater shot.
Without even dating the cannon I would be thinking 17th or 18th century anglo-american.
I'm sure there is some more studied folks than myself that may be able to help more... but those would be my guesses.

 

[Salvor6]

Old Man, that piece you are holding looks like blue majolica. I have some just like it. It is early 16th century pottery made in Mexico. The blue majolica was very fragile made from red clay. That is why they made it so thick. It breaks easy.

 

[aquanut]

I'm glad you guys had some answers because I sure didn't...

 

[pvet7521]

Ed, I have pieces that look exactly like the thick plate, off white with black designs. And the glazed bowl piece dark green glaze on the inside. I found them along with many others from the wreck behind the Highschool off key colony,I Think it was initially found by Bobby Jordan in the 60s. Time period was based on some copper coins dated early 1600s. I. Will post pictures of pieces if you would like.

 

[old man]

Ed, I have pieces that look exactly like the thick plate, off white with black designs. And the glazed bowl piece dark green glaze on the inside. I found them along with many others from the wreck behind the Highschool off key colony,I Think it was initially found by Bobby Jordan in the 60s. Time period was based on some copper coins dated early 1600s. I. Will post pictures of pieces if you would like.

Please post any pictures that you have. Like I said in the beginning. I did not find these pieces. They are from a friend diving in the Caribbean and I am sure that he is monitoring Tnet for any information that he can get. Thanks

 

[pvet7521]

notice the cork and bones? All from that 1600s wreck

 

[old man]

notice the cork and bones? All from that 1600s wreck

pvet, Nice pictures. these pictures from the wreck that Marty Malack told you about?

 

[pvet7521]

No, not at all. Marty's wreck is cherry , never been touched. Those pieces are from a ballest pile in 20 ft off Marathon .when found it had its shot locker full , musket balls, mini balls, lots and lots of pottery. It's been dated early 1600s

 

[GatorBoy]

Minie balls?
Those are very dateable... 1800's
That secondary "rimlet" on the top of that olive jar rim "from what I know"..wasn't present on 1600's rims ...but started to show up in the 1700's and continued into the 1800's.
I recently had a conversation about that with Cory Malcom the director of Archaeology at the Mel Fisher Maritime heritage society in the keys.

 

[pvet7521]

Flash of gold page325 reference number 131. Marx shipwrecks in the America's page 392 plus2" Spanish Olives jars" center drawing is of middle neck. Tell Cory he can call me to set a date to work on my discovery.

 

[pvet7521]

Back row are musket balls , made of lead. Front row are bigger about 1-1.5 inches made of iron we call them minnie balls because they look like minnie cannon balls