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I was digging the 17th century site today. We had a late start, but still had four hours. I missed my chance at stardom with the squirming through the fence slot again. No one took a picture. Hence, no youtube stardom, like that's worth anything anyway. Well, I went back to the hot spot I found last Saturday and it didn't disappoint. Lots of pieces of small lead were found as well as some colonial buck shot, hand made, and found a few modern lead bb shot from shotguns. Those are annoying signals, even 3" deep! A lot of the forget broken iron will ring as high tones on the Deus. So I dig them. Half the time its NOT iron. Dig it all, let God sort it out.

I found a nice 17th century button, then some more and on one part of the site there was a later house, ca 1770. Over there I found some other flat buttons and more of the large colonial buck shot. A little later I got a prize, a very early partial eyeglass buckle in cast brass.

In the area we were getting the most from the 17th century house, I got an "85" on the Deus, but this target sounded SMALLER than the others.

I took out a big plug and the ground was plain muddy and in some places you'd get stuck in the mud.

After chasing the signal with the pinpointer, I picked out a small, round disc. After getting some of the mud off, I noticed a silver gleam on a corner.

After I got home I cleaned it a little, the copper inherent in the silver tarnished it somewhat. There is some detail remaining, but it appears to be a hammered silver coin.

It is about 15mm in diameter and weighs .84 grams. It may be a contemporary counterfeit. I'm thinking it started out life as an English 1/2 groat, James I or later. Now, in theory it could be from any place, and any point in time. The pirates went all through there and we believe fired on the little settlement, as we're finding grapeshot and swivel shot near where the houses were. The 17th century pirates could have had coins from any period, and time.

If anyone has any ideas, please let me know. A picture of both sides, and the little buckle are attached.
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Any idea on identification is appreciated. EXCITED!
 

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Richard?, Henry?, the first English settlers were on this land in the 1630's. Anyway, it's cleaning up more. Of course I found two Roman coins in NJ and a Byzantine coin in SC in 1989, so who knows. Check the other thread for another head scratcher I found today. It's cool!
 

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A2coins, I can't have a banner because I already have one. Thank you regardless. I didn't dig as much this year, and almost nothing over the summer, but I sure made up for it! Had a blast and now getting excited for 2019 since I retired and every day is 1) suck up to the cats day 2) suck up to the chickens day and 3) play day!
 

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Diggerranger, do you really have 3 thumbs??? I am so wired tonight....it's not often you can dig on a 17th to 18th century site two days in a row. Lifting mud out of a 3' deep hole was no fun whatsoever. Gonna get muscles!
 

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Well thanks for all the comments. I went back to the site today and dug part of a trash pit out, but more on that later. I have the coin stewing at the moment, I just got back. I have some (one I think) of the billon coins, this is not that. There are microscopic scratches on the edges and it's solid silver.
You don't get copper-oxide on a solid silver coin. period. (unless for some strange reason it was up against 2 copper objects on both sides of the coin, very unlikely, as you would have found them both)
 

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Crusader, it's being cleaned now. The copper is coming off with no issues. in about 4 hours it will be done "cooking" and I'll post some new close ups. :laughing7:
 

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Ok, the lemon juice worked perfectly. Here are views, each one rotated 90 degrees. IMG_0105.JPG IMG_0106.JPG IMG_0107.JPG IMG_0108.JPG IMG_0109.JPG IMG_0110.JPG IMG_0111.JPG IMG_0112.JPG
 

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Hi Looks like a melted blob of ally TP
 

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Holy smokes that's awesome!
 

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Not sure we'll ever figure it out, but it DID clean up nice! I have a coin dealer nearby who knows the old stuff very well. I'll take it him Wednesday, if it was/is a coin, he would probably know.
 

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Your method for cleaning worked very well. Congrats on a very interesting find. Hope it’s what we all want it to be and that’s a coin. Good luck.
 

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That is pretty cool. It looks like hammered silver. I hope it is
 

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It's old, I found it, I'm keeping, I think it was a hammered coin re-purposed for something else and lost.
 

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A nice last find for 2018-
Congrats
 

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Hawks88, I only use this on what I consider "junk" silver, lemon juice straight from the lemon! On coppers and pewter and I use the Andre's Pencils. Relicific, thanks. That blew me away for 2018. A few weeks ago I thought I'd have to give up detecting for good, but decided since the joints were going to wear out anyway, might as well not sit on this website ALL DAY and get out some. A little balance is needed. I am STILL so jazzed at this weeks' finds, I'll come down off the excitement-eventually.
 

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I’m thinking potentially 3-400 year old silver button, simple floral pattern. ImageUploadedByTreasureNet.com1546276588.733628.jpg
 

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Crusader, and pa-dirt-nc-sand, I'm with you. I will still take it to the coin guy. He has his awesome binocular microscope but it is 17th or 18th century hammered silver thingamagig. Yes, there are added punched little trefoils and some lines on the one side.

Crusader, check out the other thread for the early 18th century locking tobacco box cover. I'm still on the ceiling over that find from the slurping mud yesterday.
 

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I wonder if it was a silver button smashed with a hammer. On Post#28 photo 5 - 9; I wonder if the small raised part on the back could be a very flatten shank? On photos 1 - 4 there appears to be a leaf pattern in between the center blob and rim. Of course, my eyes may very well be playing tricks on me. :dontknow:

Although, I'm hoping it to be an old coin! :occasion14:
 

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