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lastleg, your reply does not even warrant a response except when you say:
"...The saga eventually found fewer and fewer recruits
and discussion went offline. Then a brief echo of delusion. It was very sad.
I hope you don't end up like that, Jay Longley..."
I hope you are not threatening me, lastleg, as that is a very stupid thing to do.
~Texas Jay
"...The saga eventually found fewer and fewer recruits
and discussion went offline. Then a brief echo of delusion. It was very sad.
I hope you don't end up like that, Jay Longley..."
I hope you are not threatening me, lastleg, as that is a very stupid thing to do.
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lastleg, you are obviously "out of the loop" so you will now join SWR "in exile". 
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Hi, SWR, I'm not sure we ever exchanged messages directly. I just thought I'd say you were not alone. I'm still around......unpaid, too, and laughing every time I see someone use "Smokescreen Gang."
An old map just was found over at the Portal to Texas History of Brown County from 1863, published by the GLO. It has been known for years that William Columbus Anderson paid taxes in Brown County in 1863 because it was recorded by the Henry Ford Mr. Longley says was one of William Columbus Anderson's closest friends in Mr. Ford's Cotton Calculators. Those were little booklets he used as ads for his bank. He'd record information for farmers and would include bits and pieces of county history. Well, the county map I mention shows where the land is that he was taxed on for 1863.
There is so much information about my great uncle and his life that finding the map to back up Mr. Ford's claims is almost anti-climatic but it is a good piece of history and evidence of his life. It supports what his family in Missouri have said all along, Dr. Don Newbury's article which he wrote about Uncle Bill's home when it was 95 years old, tax records, birth records, census records.........etc. No fantasy. And, I am willing to discuss all the items and not hide behind some pretext not to do so.
By the way, the second arrow points to Israel Clements' land, who was William Columbus Anderson's brother-in-law. Israel had been in Brown County about 5 years with this map was drawn. Harriet Anderson Clements's sister Martha married her first cousin, William Columbus Anderson. Martha was raised in Georgia and William in Missouri. Martha and Harriet's father was Moses Guest Anderson, who had been in Brown County a bit before William arrived in 1863. William's father, William M. Anderson and Moses Guest Anderson were brothers.
Sir, I enjoy your posts.
Sincerely,
Sally Anderson Goodson
PS For a good laugh about The Smokescreen Gang go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smokescreengang/
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From August, 2009:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BloodyBillAndersonMystery/message/15242
***
At our Bloody Bill Anderson Mystery group, we have thousands of messages and
files dealing with this one topic alone. When I began my investigation into the
controversial life and death of Bloody Bill Anderson, the first area of
identification I began with, of course, was his complete name. I started with
all the documentation I could find for the traditionalists' name for Bloody Bill
Anderson, William T. Anderson. I thought that such a task would be relatively
simple and that they surely had mountains of documentation supporting such a
claim for one of the most famous men in the Old West and Civil War. I was right
on the first count as finding their documentation was quite simple, as it seemed
that all the "new historians" said that Bill's middle initial was a "T." There
were only two or three documents giving Bloody Bill Anderson's middle initial as
"T" and low and behold, NO ONE seemed to know what name the "T" stood for ! And
they still don't know. Their best guess is that it stood for "Thomasson" but
that is just a guess as they have no documentation supporting it. Their entire
"T" initial theory is based on the following two primary documents:
1) 1860 Agnes County, Kansas census entry for William ? Anderson, son of William
C. Anderson.
2) March 2. 1864 Sherman, Grayson County, Texas marriage certificate for
Lieutenant William ? Anderson.
I will discuss the problems with the census entry first. In order to understand
my objections to each of these documents, you need to have the a copy of the
original in front of you. On first glance, the middle initial for young William
Anderson, son of William C. Anderson, appears to be a "T". But this is where
honest people make their mistakes. Let's say, to play the devil's advocate,
that this letter on the entry IS a "T". Every genealogist knows of countless
examples where census-takers have made honest errors in recording names AND
middle initials so this one letter alone cannot even come close to countering
all the evidence proving Bloody Bill Anderson's middle initial was a "C." but I
will get to that later. First appearances can be deceiving so one needs to
compare that capital letter with the other capital "T"s in that census that were
written by that same census-taker. This is when you will see that this one
written letter does NOT resemble other capital "T"s written by the very same
census-taker. Why is that? I find at least two possible reasons. One is that
it is not a "T" at all but possibly an "L" (standing for Lum which was the
commonly-used shortened version of the name Columbus). Another is that this
entry for young William did not include a middle initial at all when it was
first recorded by the census-taker but was possibly added later for whatever
reasons.
The second piece of evidence is the much-acclaimed marriage certificate for
Bloody Bill Anderson and Bush Smith. When one looks at an enlarged copy of this
original document closely, it is easy to see that it has been altered too,
specifically, in the date for the decade where a "6" has been written over a
"5". Why was that necessary? Well, the William "T" supporters claim that four
years after the decade changed from the fifties to the sixties, the county had
not ordered new revised certificate forms to be printed ! There sure must not
have been many marriages in Grayson County during those four years and they must
have over-ordered a lot of forms for the fifties. Let's say, for argument's
sake, that this was actually the case. Then Quantrill's scout, John McCorkle,
must have been badly mistaken when he clearly states in his book "Four Years
With Quantrill" that Bill Anderson married Bush Smith "during Christmas week" at
Sherman. Well, March 2nd sure isn't Christmas week ! John McCorkle WAS THERE
as were many of Bloody Bill's comrades. Looking again at the
highly-questionable marriage certificate, one finds a similar problem with the
middle initial, in the two spots where the writers wrote it in William
Anderson's name, as there is with the census entry. Both letters could have
been another letter and the one at the top doesn't look too much different than
the "L" in "Lieutenant. Once again, these letters could have been added in
later for whatever reason.
A few other things need to be seriously considered before accepting these two
documents as "proof" that Bloody Bill Anderson's middle initial was a "T."
1) Why do traditional or new historians not have a SINGLE handwriting specimen
of William "T" Anderson's personal signature anywhere from the first 24 years
of his life? He was one of the most famous individuals in our history, was a
commander of his own band of Confederate Guerrillas so surely he signed his own
orders and reports. We know he sent letters to the editors of newspapers for
the attention of his Union foes. Where are these letters? The traditionalists'
claim the Yankees found Bloody Bill's personal letters, orders, and papers after
the ambush near Orrick in October 1864. Where are those valuable documents now?
No, they want us to take their word for his middle initial, minus a proven
middle name, based on two very suspicious and possibly altered documents.
2) Historians are notable for knowing not only the middle initial but the full
middle name of famous people and their fathers. That is not the case when you
look at most of the traditionalist historians/writers' accounts of Bloody Bill
Anderson after 1990. They claim not to know either the father's, William C.
Anderson's, middle name nor the middle name of his famous son. Take only the
most famous leaders of Quantrill's Guerrillas which include Quantrill himself,
Cole Younger, Frank James, and we all seem to know not only their middle names
but also the middle names of their fathers. Why don't we know the middle names
of Bloody Bill Anderson OR his father William C. Anderson? I believe many of
the traditionalist historians DO know their full names and can prove them. Why,
then, don't they? I'll let you form your own answer to that question.
3) What is the first job of any good investigator or detective? Their first job
is always to determine the primary means of identification of the subject they
are investigating. How do they do that? They match a face and physical
description with their subject's FULL NAME.
4) EVERY book, newspaper article or magazine article written about Bloody Bill
Anderson, written prior to 1969 when Donald Hale first inserted the "T" into
Bloody Bill's name, gave Bloody Bill Anderson's name as: "William Anderson",
"Bill Anderson", "Bloody Bill Anderson" or (get this) "William C. Anderson?
These writers wrote closer to the Civil War times of Bloody Bill Anderson so
they had many first-hand accounts from people who knew Bloody Bill Anderson that
latter day writers and historians did not have access to. Some of these writers
were Bloody Bill Anderson's own Guerrilla comrades. These comrades did not give
a middle name or initial to their friend and comrade but called him simply
either "Bill Anderson" or "William Anderson". If they knew his correct name,
and some surely did, they would not have revealed it because saying his middle
initial was a "C" or his middle name was "Columbus" (probably just like his
father's), would have exposed their comrade Colonel William C. Anderson who
still hadn't revealed that he had survived the 1864 ambush and was living mostly
peacefully at Salt Creek, Brown County, Texas. They were not only bound by duty
and allegiance to protect his identity but were bound by the Blood Oath of the
Knights of the Golden Circle that provided "death" for any member who revealed
another's identity or membership in that secret Confederate Organization. Other
writers/historians were not bound by that code. I have found that of the book
writers who gave a middle initial to Bloody Bill Anderson in their books that at
least half of these called him "William C. Anderson"! I suppose they were not
impressed by two scanty pieces of documentation later provided by the
traditionalist historians but, rather preferred their own solid documentation.
So, out of 26 letters in the alphabet, these notable historians/writers just
reached into a hat and EVERY ONE of them just happened to pull out a "C".
Preposterous! While I am not a mathematician, can you calculate the odds that
these writers would all "guess" at the same letter "C"?
5) Some of the several renowned authors who referred explicitly to Bloody Bill
Anderson as "William C. Anderson" include the following but our members of the
Bloody Bill Anderson Mystery group have listed several more and continue to
locate others who agreed that the one and only Bloody Bill Anderson's real name
was William C. Anderson:
- Dr. Robert S. Brownlee, "Gray Ghosts of the Confederacy"
- Shelby Foote, "The Civil War from Fredericksburg to Meridian", 1963.
- Robert L. Dyer, "Jesse James and the Civil War in Missouri", 1994.
6) Of course, the truest proof of Bloody Bill Anderson's full name comes
from none other than the man himself who told Brownwood Bulletin-Banner staff
writer in 1924 that he, William Columbus Anderson, was the one and only Bloody
Bill Anderson, leader of Quantrill's Raiders. The Fuller interview appeared in
newspapers and even magazines all across Texas and Missouri and the United
States. After an exhaustive search by not only our large membership but also
those of the opposing viewpoint, not a single Guerrilla comrade of Bill Anderson
stepped forward to say that William C. Anderson's statement was untrue! To
date, we have listed and documented 27 Quantrill's Raiders, who served with Bill
Anderson, who were alive after this Interview was made public. It needs to
also be pointed out that William C. "Bloody Bill" Anderson's naysayers' claim he
was the son of Stone County, Missouri's William M. Anderson, Sr. but have yet to
provide the name of ONE member or descendant of this Stone County Anderson
family, who knew the man they even called "Bloody Bill" Anderson, who stepped
forward to say that their friend Colonel William C. "Bloody Bill" Anderson was
lying in the interview or that he was a member of their own immediate Anderson
family.
~Jay~
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery
***
~Texas Jay
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BloodyBillAndersonMystery/message/15242
***
At our Bloody Bill Anderson Mystery group, we have thousands of messages and
files dealing with this one topic alone. When I began my investigation into the
controversial life and death of Bloody Bill Anderson, the first area of
identification I began with, of course, was his complete name. I started with
all the documentation I could find for the traditionalists' name for Bloody Bill
Anderson, William T. Anderson. I thought that such a task would be relatively
simple and that they surely had mountains of documentation supporting such a
claim for one of the most famous men in the Old West and Civil War. I was right
on the first count as finding their documentation was quite simple, as it seemed
that all the "new historians" said that Bill's middle initial was a "T." There
were only two or three documents giving Bloody Bill Anderson's middle initial as
"T" and low and behold, NO ONE seemed to know what name the "T" stood for ! And
they still don't know. Their best guess is that it stood for "Thomasson" but
that is just a guess as they have no documentation supporting it. Their entire
"T" initial theory is based on the following two primary documents:
1) 1860 Agnes County, Kansas census entry for William ? Anderson, son of William
C. Anderson.
2) March 2. 1864 Sherman, Grayson County, Texas marriage certificate for
Lieutenant William ? Anderson.
I will discuss the problems with the census entry first. In order to understand
my objections to each of these documents, you need to have the a copy of the
original in front of you. On first glance, the middle initial for young William
Anderson, son of William C. Anderson, appears to be a "T". But this is where
honest people make their mistakes. Let's say, to play the devil's advocate,
that this letter on the entry IS a "T". Every genealogist knows of countless
examples where census-takers have made honest errors in recording names AND
middle initials so this one letter alone cannot even come close to countering
all the evidence proving Bloody Bill Anderson's middle initial was a "C." but I
will get to that later. First appearances can be deceiving so one needs to
compare that capital letter with the other capital "T"s in that census that were
written by that same census-taker. This is when you will see that this one
written letter does NOT resemble other capital "T"s written by the very same
census-taker. Why is that? I find at least two possible reasons. One is that
it is not a "T" at all but possibly an "L" (standing for Lum which was the
commonly-used shortened version of the name Columbus). Another is that this
entry for young William did not include a middle initial at all when it was
first recorded by the census-taker but was possibly added later for whatever
reasons.
The second piece of evidence is the much-acclaimed marriage certificate for
Bloody Bill Anderson and Bush Smith. When one looks at an enlarged copy of this
original document closely, it is easy to see that it has been altered too,
specifically, in the date for the decade where a "6" has been written over a
"5". Why was that necessary? Well, the William "T" supporters claim that four
years after the decade changed from the fifties to the sixties, the county had
not ordered new revised certificate forms to be printed ! There sure must not
have been many marriages in Grayson County during those four years and they must
have over-ordered a lot of forms for the fifties. Let's say, for argument's
sake, that this was actually the case. Then Quantrill's scout, John McCorkle,
must have been badly mistaken when he clearly states in his book "Four Years
With Quantrill" that Bill Anderson married Bush Smith "during Christmas week" at
Sherman. Well, March 2nd sure isn't Christmas week ! John McCorkle WAS THERE
as were many of Bloody Bill's comrades. Looking again at the
highly-questionable marriage certificate, one finds a similar problem with the
middle initial, in the two spots where the writers wrote it in William
Anderson's name, as there is with the census entry. Both letters could have
been another letter and the one at the top doesn't look too much different than
the "L" in "Lieutenant. Once again, these letters could have been added in
later for whatever reason.
A few other things need to be seriously considered before accepting these two
documents as "proof" that Bloody Bill Anderson's middle initial was a "T."
1) Why do traditional or new historians not have a SINGLE handwriting specimen
of William "T" Anderson's personal signature anywhere from the first 24 years
of his life? He was one of the most famous individuals in our history, was a
commander of his own band of Confederate Guerrillas so surely he signed his own
orders and reports. We know he sent letters to the editors of newspapers for
the attention of his Union foes. Where are these letters? The traditionalists'
claim the Yankees found Bloody Bill's personal letters, orders, and papers after
the ambush near Orrick in October 1864. Where are those valuable documents now?
No, they want us to take their word for his middle initial, minus a proven
middle name, based on two very suspicious and possibly altered documents.
2) Historians are notable for knowing not only the middle initial but the full
middle name of famous people and their fathers. That is not the case when you
look at most of the traditionalist historians/writers' accounts of Bloody Bill
Anderson after 1990. They claim not to know either the father's, William C.
Anderson's, middle name nor the middle name of his famous son. Take only the
most famous leaders of Quantrill's Guerrillas which include Quantrill himself,
Cole Younger, Frank James, and we all seem to know not only their middle names
but also the middle names of their fathers. Why don't we know the middle names
of Bloody Bill Anderson OR his father William C. Anderson? I believe many of
the traditionalist historians DO know their full names and can prove them. Why,
then, don't they? I'll let you form your own answer to that question.
3) What is the first job of any good investigator or detective? Their first job
is always to determine the primary means of identification of the subject they
are investigating. How do they do that? They match a face and physical
description with their subject's FULL NAME.
4) EVERY book, newspaper article or magazine article written about Bloody Bill
Anderson, written prior to 1969 when Donald Hale first inserted the "T" into
Bloody Bill's name, gave Bloody Bill Anderson's name as: "William Anderson",
"Bill Anderson", "Bloody Bill Anderson" or (get this) "William C. Anderson?
These writers wrote closer to the Civil War times of Bloody Bill Anderson so
they had many first-hand accounts from people who knew Bloody Bill Anderson that
latter day writers and historians did not have access to. Some of these writers
were Bloody Bill Anderson's own Guerrilla comrades. These comrades did not give
a middle name or initial to their friend and comrade but called him simply
either "Bill Anderson" or "William Anderson". If they knew his correct name,
and some surely did, they would not have revealed it because saying his middle
initial was a "C" or his middle name was "Columbus" (probably just like his
father's), would have exposed their comrade Colonel William C. Anderson who
still hadn't revealed that he had survived the 1864 ambush and was living mostly
peacefully at Salt Creek, Brown County, Texas. They were not only bound by duty
and allegiance to protect his identity but were bound by the Blood Oath of the
Knights of the Golden Circle that provided "death" for any member who revealed
another's identity or membership in that secret Confederate Organization. Other
writers/historians were not bound by that code. I have found that of the book
writers who gave a middle initial to Bloody Bill Anderson in their books that at
least half of these called him "William C. Anderson"! I suppose they were not
impressed by two scanty pieces of documentation later provided by the
traditionalist historians but, rather preferred their own solid documentation.
So, out of 26 letters in the alphabet, these notable historians/writers just
reached into a hat and EVERY ONE of them just happened to pull out a "C".
Preposterous! While I am not a mathematician, can you calculate the odds that
these writers would all "guess" at the same letter "C"?
5) Some of the several renowned authors who referred explicitly to Bloody Bill
Anderson as "William C. Anderson" include the following but our members of the
Bloody Bill Anderson Mystery group have listed several more and continue to
locate others who agreed that the one and only Bloody Bill Anderson's real name
was William C. Anderson:
- Dr. Robert S. Brownlee, "Gray Ghosts of the Confederacy"
- Shelby Foote, "The Civil War from Fredericksburg to Meridian", 1963.
- Robert L. Dyer, "Jesse James and the Civil War in Missouri", 1994.
6) Of course, the truest proof of Bloody Bill Anderson's full name comes
from none other than the man himself who told Brownwood Bulletin-Banner staff
writer in 1924 that he, William Columbus Anderson, was the one and only Bloody
Bill Anderson, leader of Quantrill's Raiders. The Fuller interview appeared in
newspapers and even magazines all across Texas and Missouri and the United
States. After an exhaustive search by not only our large membership but also
those of the opposing viewpoint, not a single Guerrilla comrade of Bill Anderson
stepped forward to say that William C. Anderson's statement was untrue! To
date, we have listed and documented 27 Quantrill's Raiders, who served with Bill
Anderson, who were alive after this Interview was made public. It needs to
also be pointed out that William C. "Bloody Bill" Anderson's naysayers' claim he
was the son of Stone County, Missouri's William M. Anderson, Sr. but have yet to
provide the name of ONE member or descendant of this Stone County Anderson
family, who knew the man they even called "Bloody Bill" Anderson, who stepped
forward to say that their friend Colonel William C. "Bloody Bill" Anderson was
lying in the interview or that he was a member of their own immediate Anderson
family.
~Jay~
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery
***
~Texas Jay
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Hey Rollie! It's great to see you here joining Sally as it proves that you and the Smokescreen Gang follow me everywhere I or other members of our group go, in other words, stalking. I didn't know you were interested in treasure hunting. Are you a recent convert or do you have other motives for being here?
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Sally said:
"An old map just was found over at the Portal to Texas History of Brown County from 1863, published by the GLO..."
Maybe I'm going blind but I've looked over the map you, Sally, posted several times but cannot see the date "1863" on it anywhere. Perhaps, you won't mind documenting that for me and other members. Also, you may want to explain why the writing for "WC Anderson" (along with very few of the others) is written in a lighter shade of ink than the great majority of them. Knowing the name of the mapmaker and the person supplying the information for this map as well as its chain of custody would be very helpful too. Two things everyone should keep in mind when Sally, Rollie, or their other allies post any sort of "documentation" regarding the 1863 date is that it is well-documented that ALL of the county records for Brown County, Texas were destroyed in the Brown County Courthouse fire of 1880, that Bill Anderson's comrade and confidant Henry Ford was the County Clerk for many of the years in question and that he was bound by a blood oath to protect the identities of all members of the Knights of the Golden Circle including William C. "Bloody Bill" Anderson.
~Texas Jay
"An old map just was found over at the Portal to Texas History of Brown County from 1863, published by the GLO..."
Maybe I'm going blind but I've looked over the map you, Sally, posted several times but cannot see the date "1863" on it anywhere. Perhaps, you won't mind documenting that for me and other members. Also, you may want to explain why the writing for "WC Anderson" (along with very few of the others) is written in a lighter shade of ink than the great majority of them. Knowing the name of the mapmaker and the person supplying the information for this map as well as its chain of custody would be very helpful too. Two things everyone should keep in mind when Sally, Rollie, or their other allies post any sort of "documentation" regarding the 1863 date is that it is well-documented that ALL of the county records for Brown County, Texas were destroyed in the Brown County Courthouse fire of 1880, that Bill Anderson's comrade and confidant Henry Ford was the County Clerk for many of the years in question and that he was bound by a blood oath to protect the identities of all members of the Knights of the Golden Circle including William C. "Bloody Bill" Anderson.
~Texas Jay
Rollie Taylor
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I've been to the diamond mine in Murfreesboro, AR, where I found nothing. I've found 15 rusty horseshoes and a rusty pick in my garden, possibly exceeding the cash value of your treasure hunting discoveries.Texas Jay said:
Since you are obsessed with trying to prove William C. Anderson of Brown County was William T. Anderson who died in 1864, have you found anything that supports the Henry C. Fuller yarn? Any records? Any sources? Just lots of variations of the same story in different publications and other hearsay.
Educate yourself about the two William Andersons, both born in MO about the same time. Start with information found at http://unclebilly.texas-heartland.com/2Williams.html, then come back and ask some intelligent questions.
You will find members of the extended Anderson family rebutting misinformation posted by ill-informed pseudo-historians about the life of William C. Anderson wherever that misinformation is found. Call it stalking if you like. I could care less about your KGC or KGB or KFC stories, but William C. Anderson is my great-great-uncle, and he was not William T. "Bloody Bill" Anderson.
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Rollie, so you are saying that you are here to learn how to successfully hunt for and find treasure. Is that right? For your information, I have been using a metal detector since 1969 and co-founded the metal detecting club in Brownwood, Texas in 1981. In all those years, for the life of me, I can't remember a single hour I've spent using a detector that I didn't find more than you've found in all of your "treasure hunting" adventures combined. I suggest that before you start bashing other treasure hunters on this website, that you visit some of the other forums here as I am sure there are some for beginners.
http://pages.suddenlink.net/cttc/index.html - Central Texas Treasure Club, Brownwood, Texas (founded 1981)
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Hey, Texas Jay:
The fact that these newbies, showing only 2 and 5 posts respectively, jump right into ripping on you proves what YOU say and negates their comments.
You mentioned, above, how the census taker's writing looks like a different letter for the middle initial of William Anderson. Well, I've run into that same situation while doing genealogy research on my family for my own records. The census taker's writing was a little slip shod. One of my Dad's older sisters middle name was written so badly that the readers at Ancestry.com put it down as "Clive". I grew up around this aunt and her middle name was "Alice". The census taker did not close the top of the capital letter "A" (the script form) so that a quick read gives you "Clive". The open top "A" produced what LOOKED like a "Cl". And the "c" was written as a lazy form that looked like a rounded "v". After pulling up a copy of the original form and enlarging the copy to study the name, I could easily see the problem. I submitted a correction note to Ancestry.com about that situation. As I said, I grew up around my Aunt Alice and KNEW the truth.
I found a short booklet about how to read the old writings and posted that link on "that other site" where you can easily find it.
The fact that these newbies, showing only 2 and 5 posts respectively, jump right into ripping on you proves what YOU say and negates their comments.
You mentioned, above, how the census taker's writing looks like a different letter for the middle initial of William Anderson. Well, I've run into that same situation while doing genealogy research on my family for my own records. The census taker's writing was a little slip shod. One of my Dad's older sisters middle name was written so badly that the readers at Ancestry.com put it down as "Clive". I grew up around this aunt and her middle name was "Alice". The census taker did not close the top of the capital letter "A" (the script form) so that a quick read gives you "Clive". The open top "A" produced what LOOKED like a "Cl". And the "c" was written as a lazy form that looked like a rounded "v". After pulling up a copy of the original form and enlarging the copy to study the name, I could easily see the problem. I submitted a correction note to Ancestry.com about that situation. As I said, I grew up around my Aunt Alice and KNEW the truth.
I found a short booklet about how to read the old writings and posted that link on "that other site" where you can easily find it.
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Hi Shortstack. I'm happy that you see that I've been telling the truth about this small bunch stalking me on every website I participate in. I'm confident that other members realize this too. One thing the Smokescreen Gang always fail to mention is that errors on censuses were quite common and, regarding the Stone County Andersons, Rollie and Sally know very well that the 1860 Brown County, Texas census lists one of their own, David Q. Anderson, incorrectly as "B.Q. Anderson". That is not the only error that was made over the years by census-takers regarding this Stone County Anderson family but they want everyone to believe that the census entry, which allegedly "proves" that Bloody Bill Anderson's middle initial was a "T", was infallible. They also don't want to discuss their other infallible piece of "conclusive evidence", the clearly altered "marriage certificate" for Bill Anderson and Bush Smith and how it gives a marriage date that is completely different than that given by another Quantrill's Guerrilla who was there! That's it, folks. That's all they have to offer as evidence. Two altered or erroneous documents. It's really sad that they are allowed to perpetuate this over and over again wherever contradictory evidence and solid proof is offered.
~Texas Jay
http://bloodybillanderson.webs.com
They also don't want to discuss their other infallible piece of "conclusive evidence", the clearly altered "marriage certificate" for Bill Anderson and Bush Smith and how it gives a marriage date that is completely different than that given by another Quantrill's Guerrilla who was there! That's it, folks. That's all they have to offer as evidence. Two altered or erroneous documents. It's really sad that they are allowed to perpetuate this over and over again wherever contradictory evidence and solid proof is offered.~Texas Jay
http://bloodybillanderson.webs.com
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SWR, my son is quite actively engaged in treasure hunting with a metal detector. He has traveled to north Texas, the Texas panhandle, Mexico, and Chile to search for treasure. But that’s another story that only he could tell. Texas Jay can tell lots of stories. It’s the facts that are his problem. I would like to offer you honorary membership in the Smokescreen Gang, those researchers who strive to blow away all the smoke emanating from Texas Jay. The Smokescreen Gang are researchers who have found source documents and records that disprove the claims of an 84 year old William C. Anderson that he was Bloody Bill Anderson. Only Texas Jay is gullible enough to believe such a tall tale, even when O R 52, O R 52 supplement, provide details of his death, and 1850 and 1860 census records show the young men William C. Anderson and William T. Anderson in their parents household. William C. Anderson’s oldest son, Francis Marion Anderson, was born 9 May 1864 in Brownwood, Texas, to W. C. Anderson and Elizabeth Anderson, according to his death certificate. The Grayson County, TX, marriage license shows Lieut. William T. Anderson married Bush Smith in March, 1864, before his death in October, 1864, as described in O R 52. Texas Jay argues that the mother of Francis Marion Anderson was Bush Smith (never mind the 2 month pregnancy), and that, according to Texas Jay, Bloody Bill Anderson escaped the ambush near Orrick, MO, in October, fled to TX, abandoned Bush Smith, carried Francis Anderson from Grayson County to Brown County, and married Martha Elizabeth Anderson. No records, no documents, just a fantasy. Of course, Martha Anderson testified under oath, in a court case that she had been married to W. C. Anderson “in about 1860”, which was not quite accurate. The 1900 census shows William C. and Martha had been married 37 years, and the 1910 census shows that he had been married only once. So, as usual, Texas Jay has no facts to support his fantasy.SWR said:Rollie Taylor said:
Greetings and welcome to TreasureNet
Thanks for the chuckle...I believe your rusty horseshoes and pick do exceed the cash value of anything found by Jay. However, maybe Jay can fabricate a story of being the Greatest Treasure Hunter on Earth along with his umpteen other conspiracy theories
I've read that Will Rogers never met a man he didn't like.
Could it be that Texas Jay never heard a conspiracy theory he didn't like?
Texas Jay, who is not a native Texan or a member of the Anderson family, should review his Texas history. So the Brownwood Courthouse burned in 1880. The Republic of Texas Congress established the General Land Office in 1836 shortly after Texas won its independence from Mexico. Beginning in the early 1840s, the majority of the county maps in the collection were compiled and drawn by draftsmen at the Land Office. Most are manuscript maps, meaning original hand-drawn works. On many maps, draftsmen would often draw intricate designs and add whimsically detailed art, adding character to many maps in this collection. There are two things that everyone should keep in mind. Texas Jay is long on claims and short on facts. Texas Jay is a great advocate of negative logic. If no one disputes his specious claim; it must be true.
Texas Jay has asserted that Henry Ford was the comrade and confidant of William C. Anderson. It is logical to assume that Henry Ford, as County Clerk, and later, Brownwood banker, and William C. Anderson, as a landowner, interacted in business and commercial dealings. Where is the proof that they were comrades and confidants? Texas Jay asserts that Henry Ford was a member of the KGC. Where is the proof? Once again, all talk, no facts.
Shortstack:
I'm wondering if you were a member of Jay's forum as I don't remember you
posting on it. I stayed with it for a couple years for the genuine historical info
some members had to offer. But Jay himself was on a mission to change the
parts of history he didn't agree with no matter how ridiculous his concepts were.
I respect you but wonder how come you defend him? You also were protective
of S. E. as well when he was making ridiculous claims. Do you just like lost causes? In any case nobody can say you aren't loyal.
I'm wondering if you were a member of Jay's forum as I don't remember you
posting on it. I stayed with it for a couple years for the genuine historical info
some members had to offer. But Jay himself was on a mission to change the
parts of history he didn't agree with no matter how ridiculous his concepts were.
I respect you but wonder how come you defend him? You also were protective
of S. E. as well when he was making ridiculous claims. Do you just like lost causes? In any case nobody can say you aren't loyal.
Shortstack
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No, lastleg, I am not a member of TJay's forum and have not been in the past. The reason I've been "defending" him is because of the people who seem to have made it their life's mission to CONTINUALLY disagree and name call him. It is NOT necessary to keep saying the same, tired old name calling and CRAP. If you don't agree with his, or anyone else's, opinions then say it ONCE and go on. Why in hell would anyone keep on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on; over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over; again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again on EVERY FRIGGIN POST the man makes. There are 2 posters above who are newbies to this site, who have 2 and 5 posts, respectively, and they started right in with their bull$hit.
Look, there MUST be a better reason for their tenacity in continually downplaying Texas Jay's information. Could they simply be a few A$$HOLES with nothing better to do or could they be "working" a project and are afraid TJay is getting too close to "their" caches. Wellllllll, at this point, it's a toss-up. I hate stalkers of any kind and if there was a way to "clean out" the sewer, I'd help.
"LOST CAUSES?" By whose definitions? What makes those other people's information the solid gold gospel and Texas Jay's information crap
It's pretty subjective don't you think? Don't you wonder WHY those other folks don't just let Jay go off on his "wild goose chase" while they go quietly about THEIR research and make the recoveries? Why would they spend so much time arguing with someone about the information's validity? ESPECIALLY if that person is not of their group. If his research is WRONG, then let him go off into the Texas sunset while THEY find the gold.
No, lastleg. There's a real STINK to that situation and I can't say that I could be as calm about it as TJay has been. But then, revenge is a dish best served cold.
Look, there MUST be a better reason for their tenacity in continually downplaying Texas Jay's information. Could they simply be a few A$$HOLES with nothing better to do or could they be "working" a project and are afraid TJay is getting too close to "their" caches. Wellllllll, at this point, it's a toss-up. I hate stalkers of any kind and if there was a way to "clean out" the sewer, I'd help.
"LOST CAUSES?" By whose definitions? What makes those other people's information the solid gold gospel and Texas Jay's information crap
It's pretty subjective don't you think? Don't you wonder WHY those other folks don't just let Jay go off on his "wild goose chase" while they go quietly about THEIR research and make the recoveries? Why would they spend so much time arguing with someone about the information's validity? ESPECIALLY if that person is not of their group. If his research is WRONG, then let him go off into the Texas sunset while THEY find the gold. No, lastleg. There's a real STINK to that situation and I can't say that I could be as calm about it as TJay has been. But then, revenge is a dish best served cold.
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Rollie Taylor
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Shortstack, I must say I am in complete agreement with this portion of your post. Why does Texas Jay persist in posting an unproven theory based solely on hearsay, no facts, only a story told by an 84 year old man? Texas Jay roams the internet, posting his version of history about Bloody Bill on various boards, which would be OK except for the fact that one of my relatives is the subject of his misinformation. Let's say someone posted on various boards that your father was a chicken thief, and continued to post that false information with no proof, after proof to the contrary had been presented. Would you be man enough to defend your father's character as best you could by rebutting false allegations everywhere they appeared? Since you have defended Texas Jay, there is no doubt in my mind that you would defend your father's character, "stalking" the offender wherever his BS appears. For your information, neither the KGC, KFC, or KGB is of any interest to me, so Texas Jay can expound upon those topics to his hearts content on every board everywhere and I will not be there. I believe Texas Jay owes every member of this forum an apology for this off topic discussion. Texas Jay's post of May 30 had nothing to do with treasure hunting; he was advertising his website, and promoting a link to his flawed version of history. Thanks for reading.Shortstack said:
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lastleg said:Shortstack:
I'm wondering if you were a member of Jay's forum as I don't remember you
posting on it. I stayed with it for a couple years for the genuine historical info
some members had to offer. But Jay himself was on a mission to change the
parts of history he didn't agree with no matter how ridiculous his concepts were.
I respect you but wonder how come you defend him? You also were protective
of S. E. as well when he was making ridiculous claims. Do you just like lost causes? In any case nobody can say you aren't loyal.
Maybe lastleg would like to review my suggestion about bulk gold and silver being a good investment which was posted on this website a year or so ago and where he scoffed at everything I said in that thread. Well, had he followed my suggestions then, instead of ridiculing them, he could have nearly doubled his total assets only a short year later. Who's laughing now, lastleg?
~Texas Jay
