Misc data and adventures of a Tayopa treasure hunter
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OK here's four stories that I put together to find one of Dobbie's lost Missions.
When the troops were coming north, the priests at Tumacacori took all the gold and silver reliquaries and put them in a copper box and added a map showing the 7 sub missions and put it on an Ox Cart (Carretta). They went around the mountain to the North and turned south to hit the river and run it as far as possible before heading to Cali. On the way South they ran into priests coming North crying, "Don't go South the Indians rose up and killed the other priests." So the opened the copper box/chest and looked for the closest mine. They went there and shoved the chest inside and shut the door. "God will watch over it."
Don't want to run over so next post in a min to continue.
When the troops were coming north, the priests at Tumacacori took all the gold and silver reliquaries and put them in a copper box and added a map showing the 7 sub missions and put it on an Ox Cart (Carretta). They went around the mountain to the North and turned south to hit the river and run it as far as possible before heading to Cali. On the way South they ran into priests coming North crying, "Don't go South the Indians rose up and killed the other priests." So the opened the copper box/chest and looked for the closest mine. They went there and shoved the chest inside and shut the door. "God will watch over it."
Don't want to run over so next post in a min to continue.
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Part 2 : When they left they unhooked the Oxen and left the cart(Carretta) at the mouth of the canyon.
80 years later 3 cowboys are moving cows and the last one comes in after dark to the campfire. "I found an old mine with a wood and leather door like the Spaniards used in the canyon De La Carretta. I picked up some of the ore just outside the door and they are heavy in Silver(Plata)." The other 2 started picking on him and saying that they would have to start calling him, "Patron". Juan got mad and got on his horse and went to town.
10 years later, so Spaniards came to town and wanted to go to the Canyon with an Ox cart. "No Problem, been a landmark since my father's, father's, father's, long time. Been there forever. When they went to find it the Carretta was gone! The towns people were upset they lost a landmark, the Spaniards were upset also. They left.
Part 3 coming
80 years later 3 cowboys are moving cows and the last one comes in after dark to the campfire. "I found an old mine with a wood and leather door like the Spaniards used in the canyon De La Carretta. I picked up some of the ore just outside the door and they are heavy in Silver(Plata)." The other 2 started picking on him and saying that they would have to start calling him, "Patron". Juan got mad and got on his horse and went to town.
10 years later, so Spaniards came to town and wanted to go to the Canyon with an Ox cart. "No Problem, been a landmark since my father's, father's, father's, long time. Been there forever. When they went to find it the Carretta was gone! The towns people were upset they lost a landmark, the Spaniards were upset also. They left.
Part 3 coming
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Part 3
another 10 years goes by and a "Gringo" comes to town, he wants to go prospecting, but needs a home base. He asks if anyone can rent him a room or a house to live in. "Sure, there is a house at the edge of town, no one lives there for a long time. You can have it. He goes there and finds that it needs some repair to the roof and needs cleaning. So he starts cleaning and when he gets next to the door he finds these rocks by the door. The rocks are heavy so he sends one out for assay and doesn't say a word about them. When the assay comes back they are heavy in Silver. He goes and asks the townspeople, "Who use to live there?" "Oh that was that Crazy Juan. You know he had a Silver mine?" "Really where?" "In the Canyon De La Carretta." "Can you show me where it is?" "No, the Carretta is gone".
I figure Juan went back and burned the cart, buried the hubs and then either got killed by Indians from seeing the fire or his horse could have thrown him and he died that way. Lots of ways to kill when alone in the southern Desert and mountains.
another 10 years goes by and a "Gringo" comes to town, he wants to go prospecting, but needs a home base. He asks if anyone can rent him a room or a house to live in. "Sure, there is a house at the edge of town, no one lives there for a long time. You can have it. He goes there and finds that it needs some repair to the roof and needs cleaning. So he starts cleaning and when he gets next to the door he finds these rocks by the door. The rocks are heavy so he sends one out for assay and doesn't say a word about them. When the assay comes back they are heavy in Silver. He goes and asks the townspeople, "Who use to live there?" "Oh that was that Crazy Juan. You know he had a Silver mine?" "Really where?" "In the Canyon De La Carretta." "Can you show me where it is?" "No, the Carretta is gone".
I figure Juan went back and burned the cart, buried the hubs and then either got killed by Indians from seeing the fire or his horse could have thrown him and he died that way. Lots of ways to kill when alone in the southern Desert and mountains.
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Part 4
Further South is where the other priests came from. Dobbie wrote about that one where the Indians got tired of mining and went to the Upper chapel where the priests would melt down the bars into bars in the cellar. In the middle of Mass they threw off their blankets and attacked with knives and hand axes, killing the priests in the upper chapel. The priests at the mission heard the screams and ran North, away from the upper chapel. The Indians tossed the priests into the cellar with the bench's, brush and rocks and closed the door. Then an Indian runner comes up to warn about the Spanish Army coming North. So the whole tribe picks up and leaves until the Army leaves.
Sonyota, Mexico is where the Mission and the upper chapel are. In late July, 1982, we arrived there and from are side of the border with 10X50's saw a shadow gram of the mission and then found the Upper Chapel. We found out the upper chapel was excavated in 1910 by an Arch. from the U of A. He never touched the mission just the Upper Chapel. That was told to us by the locals.
Further South is where the other priests came from. Dobbie wrote about that one where the Indians got tired of mining and went to the Upper chapel where the priests would melt down the bars into bars in the cellar. In the middle of Mass they threw off their blankets and attacked with knives and hand axes, killing the priests in the upper chapel. The priests at the mission heard the screams and ran North, away from the upper chapel. The Indians tossed the priests into the cellar with the bench's, brush and rocks and closed the door. Then an Indian runner comes up to warn about the Spanish Army coming North. So the whole tribe picks up and leaves until the Army leaves.
Sonyota, Mexico is where the Mission and the upper chapel are. In late July, 1982, we arrived there and from are side of the border with 10X50's saw a shadow gram of the mission and then found the Upper Chapel. We found out the upper chapel was excavated in 1910 by an Arch. from the U of A. He never touched the mission just the Upper Chapel. That was told to us by the locals.
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Forgot this: The locals were afraid that the wash would take out the bridge, so they used a Dozer to straighten it. They didn't realize how close they were to the mission, so they were surprised when they "popped out" the casket of the founding father from under the Lintel. When they checked inside the coffin, they found "2 gold bells like for mules". Some how they disappeared. They were planning on rebuilding the mission as a community project. That was the story we heard in 2002.
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Well TT, let us visit that ancient continent that is still mysterious in some parts and can still surprise and bewilder even the most hardy of treasure-hunters....Africa..
This particular story relates to the south in and around present-day Zimbabwe.
In the closing stages of the 19th century, there was a branch of the Zulu nation that had precariously maintained their ancient way of life and were admirable warriors who insisted on protecting their heritage at all costs. This wasn't a big issue until man's lust for minerals was ignited by discovering the largest deposits that incredibly put the mighty mines and fields of Peru to shame...Of course I am referring to the gold discovered in South Africa and the Kimberley diamond mines.
This particular tribe of Africans had tried to protect their lands and homes from hunters, miners, speculators and farmers and such folk who coveted their extremely productive soil and earth. Anyway, that old colonial - Cecil Rhodes - knew what might lie beneath the surface, and indeed above, on this very valuable land and attempted to strike a deal with the local king. This king was powerful, naïve yet practical in knowing what was coming in the not-too-distant-future regardless of what deal or concession he struck with the Europeans. Through bribery, gift inducements, flattery and thinly-veiled threats, the English got what they wanted and started opening up the mines. This African king even had his warriors working the mines for them.
As usually happens with avarice, when the true extent and nature of the unimaginable wealth to be secured became clearer, the old king's fate was sealed. To prepare himself of the uncertainty heading his way, the king had taken a mixed-heritage secretary who was capable of communicating with the English and Dutch who were quickly making their presence known in the king's domains.
The king's treasure was stored in two metal safes; gold coins from gifts sent to him and tribute from his workers in the mines, ivory from hunts in times gone by and most coveted of all...., rough diamonds that were stolen and secured by his warriors who worked for the Europeans. It has been stated that in amongst them, there could have been some that rivalled the more famous gems that secured headlines across the globe during their discoveries from the very same places that the king's stash had come from. The two safes had been bought from European trading posts by the secretary and were kept in the king's kraal and watched over by his most trusted headmen.
To begin with, there was an uneasy acknowledgment that both 'sides' knew the other's intentions but kept the peace out of self-interest.
In 1893, war did finally come and hostilities broke out between this proud but ultimately doomed kingdom with little resources to fight against the well-equipped forces of England. The king fled with some warriors, four headmen, his secretary and, of course, his two safes with his accumulated treasures. Everyone but the king, secretary and treasure which was loaded onto cattle carts, actually ran the many miles along the bush because these warriors were such accomplished, able and determined people, to the hiding place deep into their territory that was isolated, dangerous and known only to a select few where the Zambezi river is situated in Zimbabwe.
They knew the British were following but they had a head-start and knew their land so effectively had time to do what they needed. Out in the bush, they came to an area where the king was satisfied his treasure would remain untouched and could only be retrieved by those in attendance as it was extremely unlikely that anyone would ever traverse this area by chance looking for the cache. The warriors and headmen started digging a hole big enough for the safes to be deposited and soon enough reached their objective. The safes were thrown in the hole, covered with a layer of large stone and then effectively camouflaged by these masters of the African bush. The king was still wary and one night whilst still in the bush, secretly told his four loyal headmen, to kill the warriors to stop the location ever coming out (he totally trusted his secretary and needed him to try and negotiate a peace settlement with the English if it was going to be possible). The headmen at once started acting out his instructions and speared the warriors most of whom were killed but a few managed to runaway. This left the king, his four headmen and the secretary. On the march back, the king who had been in bad health through his drinking and eating habits died and was buried at a remote and secret spot by his loyal headmen and secretary. The remaining survivors knew the game was up and returned to their respective villages and families. This was sometime in 1894.
In the 1930s, a treasure-hunter found out that the secretary was still alive and living in Africa....
This treasure and game hunter managed to track down the old secretary who was not in very good health but still remembered the old days of his king. The secretary stated that he had tried on many occasions to get back to the location but had been caught by the British authorities and other countries around what was then Rhodesia, and had been deported, imprisoned and fined without getting near the secret spot. He did manage to tell his visitor that one of the headmen of the king that helped bury the treasure was still alive......
After meeting with the aged and infirm secretary, the hunter wisely set about verifying and evidencing the secretary's story.
It checked out.
He was arrested and imprisoned, fined and then deported by the Rhodesian and other adjacent countries authorities, whilst surreptitiously trying to enter without proper clearance as he knew he would be refused entry due to his links to the erstwhile native king. So the only possible others who knew the location were the four headmen and small number of warriors who had fled being killed on the orders of the king. Three headmen had died shortly after the burying of the treasure and the remaining survivor was said to be in his 80s or 90s. It was thought highly unlikely that the warriors who had survived would ever return to claim the treasure due to taboos and cultural norms of the people in question.
How to track the surviving headman...?
At great lengths, pain and resources, the hunter who had the name found out that there was such an individual who lived in the bush in a small village. He travelled to meet with this man. He was impressed with the bearing and dignity of this chap who belied his age which was supposed to have been in his 80s or 90s. As an attempt to win his confidence, the hunter gave some medical supplies to the man and after the ailments that had affected him, the chap was asked by the hunter about the former king and his treasure. The African replied that he wondered why the white person was being so friendly but stated that he was unable to help him. He said that he shared his name with another old chap that lived several days away who was once a noted headman of the former African king.
At once the hunter set off to try and track down this former headman that could possibly lead him to an absolute fortune. On finally tracking down this former trusted lieutenant of the former king, he was extremely deflated to see a feeble, confused and shrivelled old shadow of a former leading proud warrior of a once proud nation. His granddaughter explained that he was in no way to answer any questions as he was nearing death and she could only confirm he was once a leading warrior and headman of the former king.
The deeply disappointed hunter then tried to get some general ideas and went back to the secretary to form an idea of the location but it was in vain as the 'clues' could mean any possible spot of a thousand locations in a vast and identical looking place. He still mounted some expeditions but they were predictably unsuccessful. The secretary was also in his 70s now and could not be induced to mount a secret trip to the site with the hunter and said perhaps that it was right and proper that the vanquished king's treasure should remain buried.
Then....
In the 1960s, the last surviving child of the king's was located and was asked by other interested persons about his father's treasure hoard. He said he had been a small child during the war and as his father, the former king, had about 20 wives, he never knew about the treasure or indeed its possible location.....
Did the story end there??
IP
This particular story relates to the south in and around present-day Zimbabwe.
In the closing stages of the 19th century, there was a branch of the Zulu nation that had precariously maintained their ancient way of life and were admirable warriors who insisted on protecting their heritage at all costs. This wasn't a big issue until man's lust for minerals was ignited by discovering the largest deposits that incredibly put the mighty mines and fields of Peru to shame...Of course I am referring to the gold discovered in South Africa and the Kimberley diamond mines.
This particular tribe of Africans had tried to protect their lands and homes from hunters, miners, speculators and farmers and such folk who coveted their extremely productive soil and earth. Anyway, that old colonial - Cecil Rhodes - knew what might lie beneath the surface, and indeed above, on this very valuable land and attempted to strike a deal with the local king. This king was powerful, naïve yet practical in knowing what was coming in the not-too-distant-future regardless of what deal or concession he struck with the Europeans. Through bribery, gift inducements, flattery and thinly-veiled threats, the English got what they wanted and started opening up the mines. This African king even had his warriors working the mines for them.
As usually happens with avarice, when the true extent and nature of the unimaginable wealth to be secured became clearer, the old king's fate was sealed. To prepare himself of the uncertainty heading his way, the king had taken a mixed-heritage secretary who was capable of communicating with the English and Dutch who were quickly making their presence known in the king's domains.
The king's treasure was stored in two metal safes; gold coins from gifts sent to him and tribute from his workers in the mines, ivory from hunts in times gone by and most coveted of all...., rough diamonds that were stolen and secured by his warriors who worked for the Europeans. It has been stated that in amongst them, there could have been some that rivalled the more famous gems that secured headlines across the globe during their discoveries from the very same places that the king's stash had come from. The two safes had been bought from European trading posts by the secretary and were kept in the king's kraal and watched over by his most trusted headmen.
To begin with, there was an uneasy acknowledgment that both 'sides' knew the other's intentions but kept the peace out of self-interest.
In 1893, war did finally come and hostilities broke out between this proud but ultimately doomed kingdom with little resources to fight against the well-equipped forces of England. The king fled with some warriors, four headmen, his secretary and, of course, his two safes with his accumulated treasures. Everyone but the king, secretary and treasure which was loaded onto cattle carts, actually ran the many miles along the bush because these warriors were such accomplished, able and determined people, to the hiding place deep into their territory that was isolated, dangerous and known only to a select few where the Zambezi river is situated in Zimbabwe.
They knew the British were following but they had a head-start and knew their land so effectively had time to do what they needed. Out in the bush, they came to an area where the king was satisfied his treasure would remain untouched and could only be retrieved by those in attendance as it was extremely unlikely that anyone would ever traverse this area by chance looking for the cache. The warriors and headmen started digging a hole big enough for the safes to be deposited and soon enough reached their objective. The safes were thrown in the hole, covered with a layer of large stone and then effectively camouflaged by these masters of the African bush. The king was still wary and one night whilst still in the bush, secretly told his four loyal headmen, to kill the warriors to stop the location ever coming out (he totally trusted his secretary and needed him to try and negotiate a peace settlement with the English if it was going to be possible). The headmen at once started acting out his instructions and speared the warriors most of whom were killed but a few managed to runaway. This left the king, his four headmen and the secretary. On the march back, the king who had been in bad health through his drinking and eating habits died and was buried at a remote and secret spot by his loyal headmen and secretary. The remaining survivors knew the game was up and returned to their respective villages and families. This was sometime in 1894.
In the 1930s, a treasure-hunter found out that the secretary was still alive and living in Africa....
This treasure and game hunter managed to track down the old secretary who was not in very good health but still remembered the old days of his king. The secretary stated that he had tried on many occasions to get back to the location but had been caught by the British authorities and other countries around what was then Rhodesia, and had been deported, imprisoned and fined without getting near the secret spot. He did manage to tell his visitor that one of the headmen of the king that helped bury the treasure was still alive......
After meeting with the aged and infirm secretary, the hunter wisely set about verifying and evidencing the secretary's story.
It checked out.
He was arrested and imprisoned, fined and then deported by the Rhodesian and other adjacent countries authorities, whilst surreptitiously trying to enter without proper clearance as he knew he would be refused entry due to his links to the erstwhile native king. So the only possible others who knew the location were the four headmen and small number of warriors who had fled being killed on the orders of the king. Three headmen had died shortly after the burying of the treasure and the remaining survivor was said to be in his 80s or 90s. It was thought highly unlikely that the warriors who had survived would ever return to claim the treasure due to taboos and cultural norms of the people in question.
How to track the surviving headman...?
At great lengths, pain and resources, the hunter who had the name found out that there was such an individual who lived in the bush in a small village. He travelled to meet with this man. He was impressed with the bearing and dignity of this chap who belied his age which was supposed to have been in his 80s or 90s. As an attempt to win his confidence, the hunter gave some medical supplies to the man and after the ailments that had affected him, the chap was asked by the hunter about the former king and his treasure. The African replied that he wondered why the white person was being so friendly but stated that he was unable to help him. He said that he shared his name with another old chap that lived several days away who was once a noted headman of the former African king.
At once the hunter set off to try and track down this former headman that could possibly lead him to an absolute fortune. On finally tracking down this former trusted lieutenant of the former king, he was extremely deflated to see a feeble, confused and shrivelled old shadow of a former leading proud warrior of a once proud nation. His granddaughter explained that he was in no way to answer any questions as he was nearing death and she could only confirm he was once a leading warrior and headman of the former king.
The deeply disappointed hunter then tried to get some general ideas and went back to the secretary to form an idea of the location but it was in vain as the 'clues' could mean any possible spot of a thousand locations in a vast and identical looking place. He still mounted some expeditions but they were predictably unsuccessful. The secretary was also in his 70s now and could not be induced to mount a secret trip to the site with the hunter and said perhaps that it was right and proper that the vanquished king's treasure should remain buried.
Then....
In the 1960s, the last surviving child of the king's was located and was asked by other interested persons about his father's treasure hoard. He said he had been a small child during the war and as his father, the former king, had about 20 wives, he never knew about the treasure or indeed its possible location.....
Did the story end there??
IP
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Well TT, let us visit that ancient continent that is still mysterious in some parts and can still surprise and bewilder even the most hardy of treasure-hunters....Africa..
This particular story relates to the south in and around present-day Zimbabwe.
In the closing stages of the 19th century, there was a branch of the Zulu nation that had precariously maintained their ancient way of life and were admirable warriors who insisted on protecting their heritage at all costs. This wasn't a big issue until man's lust for minerals was ignited by discovering the largest deposits that incredibly put the mighty mines and fields of Peru to shame...Of course I am referring to the gold discovered in South Africa and the Kimberley diamond mines.
This particular tribe of Africans had tried to protect their lands and homes from hunters, miners, speculators and farmers and such folk who coveted their extremely productive soil and earth. Anyway, that old colonial - Cecil Rhodes - knew what might lie beneath the surface, and indeed above, on this very valuable land and attempted to strike a deal with the local king. This king was powerful, naïve yet practical in knowing what was coming in the not-too-distant-future regardless of what deal or concession he struck with the Europeans. Through bribery, gift inducements, flattery and thinly-veiled threats, the English got what they wanted and started opening up the mines. This African king even had his warriors working the mines for them.
As usually happens with avarice, when the true extent and nature of the unimaginable wealth to be secured became clearer, the old king's fate was sealed. To prepare himself of the uncertainty heading his way, the king had taken a mixed-heritage secretary who was capable of communicating with the English and Dutch who were quickly making their presence known in the king's domains.
The king's treasure was stored in two metal safes; gold coins from gifts sent to him and tribute from his workers in the mines, ivory from hunts in times gone by and most coveted of all...., rough diamonds that were stolen and secured by his warriors who worked for the Europeans. It has been stated that in amongst them, there could have been some that rivalled the more famous gems that secured headlines across the globe during their discoveries from the very same places that the king's stash had come from. The two safes had been bought from European trading posts by the secretary and were kept in the king's kraal and watched over by his most trusted headmen.
To begin with, there was an uneasy acknowledgment that both 'sides' knew the other's intentions but kept the peace out of self-interest.
In 1893, war did finally come and hostilities broke out between this proud but ultimately doomed kingdom with little resources to fight against the well-equipped forces of England. The king fled with some warriors, four headmen, his secretary and, of course, his two safes with his accumulated treasures. Everyone but the king, secretary and treasure which was loaded onto cattle carts, actually ran the many miles along the bush because these warriors were such accomplished, able and determined people, to the hiding place deep into their territory that was isolated, dangerous and known only to a select few where the Zambezi river is situated in Zimbabwe.
They knew the British were following but they had a head-start and knew their land so effectively had time to do what they needed. Out in the bush, they came to an area where the king was satisfied his treasure would remain untouched and could only be retrieved by those in attendance as it was extremely unlikely that anyone would ever traverse this area by chance looking for the cache. The warriors and headmen started digging a hole big enough for the safes to be deposited and soon enough reached their objective. The safes were thrown in the hole, covered with a layer of large stone and then effectively camouflaged by these masters of the African bush. The king was still wary and one night whilst still in the bush, secretly told his four loyal headmen, to kill the warriors to stop the location ever coming out (he totally trusted his secretary and needed him to try and negotiate a peace settlement with the English if it was going to be possible). The headmen at once started acting out his instructions and speared the warriors most of whom were killed but a few managed to runaway. This left the king, his four headmen and the secretary. On the march back, the king who had been in bad health through his drinking and eating habits died and was buried at a remote and secret spot by his loyal headmen and secretary. The remaining survivors knew the game was up and returned to their respective villages and families. This was sometime in 1894.
In the 1930s, a treasure-hunter found out that the secretary was still alive and living in Africa....
This treasure and game hunter managed to track down the old secretary who was not in very good health but still remembered the old days of his king. The secretary stated that he had tried on many occasions to get back to the location but had been caught by the British authorities and other countries around what was then Rhodesia, and had been deported, imprisoned and fined without getting near the secret spot. He did manage to tell his visitor that one of the headmen of the king that helped bury the treasure was still alive......
After meeting with the aged and infirm secretary, the hunter wisely set about verifying and evidencing the secretary's story.
It checked out.
He was arrested and imprisoned, fined and then deported by the Rhodesian and other adjacent countries authorities, whilst surreptitiously trying to enter without proper clearance as he knew he would be refused entry due to his links to the erstwhile native king. So the only possible others who knew the location were the four headmen and small number of warriors who had fled being killed on the orders of the king. Three headmen had died shortly after the burying of the treasure and the remaining survivor was said to be in his 80s or 90s. It was thought highly unlikely that the warriors who had survived would ever return to claim the treasure due to taboos and cultural norms of the people in question.
How to track the surviving headman...?
At great lengths, pain and resources, the hunter who had the name found out that there was such an individual who lived in the bush in a small village. He travelled to meet with this man. He was impressed with the bearing and dignity of this chap who belied his age which was supposed to have been in his 80s or 90s. As an attempt to win his confidence, the hunter gave some medical supplies to the man and after the ailments that had affected him, the chap was asked by the hunter about the former king and his treasure. The African replied that he wondered why the white person was being so friendly but stated that he was unable to help him. He said that he shared his name with another old chap that lived several days away who was once a noted headman of the former African king.
At once the hunter set off to try and track down this former headman that could possibly lead him to an absolute fortune. On finally tracking down this former trusted lieutenant of the former king, he was extremely deflated to see a feeble, confused and shrivelled old shadow of a former leading proud warrior of a once proud nation. His granddaughter explained that he was in no way to answer any questions as he was nearing death and she could only confirm he was once a leading warrior and headman of the former king.
The deeply disappointed hunter then tried to get some general ideas and went back to the secretary to form an idea of the location but it was in vain as the 'clues' could mean any possible spot of a thousand locations in a vast and identical looking place. He still mounted some expeditions but they were predictably unsuccessful. The secretary was also in his 70s now and could not be induced to mount a secret trip to the site with the hunter and said perhaps that it was right and proper that the vanquished king's treasure should remain buried.
Then....
In the 1960s, the last surviving child of the king's was located and was asked by other interested persons about his father's treasure hoard. He said he had been a small child during the war and as his father, the former king, had about 20 wives, he never knew about the treasure or indeed its possible location.....
Did the story end there??
IP
IPU great story as usual friend!...you are a good story teller!It was delightful to enjoy the yarn while also enjoying an icecream downtown in one European capital,,
,,,please do conclude the story as it is suspended in suspense,,,By the way is this story covered in "the seven lost trails of africa" book as well.?..I had to return that book without reading it to a library some months back...
TT
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Matey, that is far as my interest went with this story. I believe there is a Dutch or Belgian group trying to take this one further currently but I do not know the current status.
My attention was drawn to this story from an exhibition I saw here in England, so I am not too sure if the story was in the book you've mentioned.
Glad you enjoyed it!
IP
My attention was drawn to this story from an exhibition I saw here in England, so I am not too sure if the story was in the book you've mentioned.
Glad you enjoyed it!
IP
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Wilbur Smith also wrote of this treasure in some of his novels .
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Thanks IPU,,,I will try to borrow the book and check if anything more is there,,before the Dutch beats us to it,,kkk
Speaking of Belgians THs you reminded me of the famous Ghent altarpiece saga...one panel of the faboulous altarpiece got stolen way back in 1930s but still there is a detective on the case,,,it is a tantalizing story which I follow its developments for years after I visited the altarpiece in a church in Ghent ,,,even the Nazis were looking for the missing panel at the time they took the rest of the altarpiece which was returned after the war..
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The Dutchies of course have the Boer connection and I'm not sure if they've got some information/details from somewhere, as they were making moves there in Africa at the same time as the English.
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You can tell when your driving on an "Old" road from the pine trees making pin strips on the paint job, the drivers side mirror breaking from a branch snapping back, and seeing an old 1950's tire. Stopping at a 3 way intersection to check a typo map and seeing a guy drive up in a jeep and asking where one direction of the road goes. "Does that truck have 4 wheel drive? Well, you can't go right, you can't go left, you can't even go back the way I came. How did you get here?" After I told him the roads we drove to get there, he looked at me and said, "Well if you go that way, the first 1/8 miles is real hairy, back after that it is much better." LOL So much 4 wheel drive and they forget what can be done with 2 wheel drive. You just have to be able to beat it up a bit and be careful.
audigger53
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I will admit that there were a couple roads that I would not try. I'm not that stupid(?), dumb, crazy, suicidal. After all to me the object is to be able to spend the money/gold that you find.
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Amigo's,
It's a fine mornin here, I am glad the season has changed, now I can sit here in the shade early in the mornin in my glass enclosed arizona room over looking the river and the mnts,it's a very commanding view , I can now enjoy having my bloody mary ,and enjoying my montecristo in the cool of the morning,nothing like Life.np P.S. this is my way to spend these dry spells on here.
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Back when I was single and running the California (and occasionally Arizona ) desert, I used to go with 3 or 4 other guys, everybody in their own vehicle. Our trick was to go as far as we could in 2 wheel drive. The first one to put his rig in 4WD would have to buy the first round when we got back to town. That was where I first learned the value of an automatic transmission in sand.....
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Bloody Mary's , I'm gonna disown you, bloody Mary's when ya could be drinking COFFEE !
Cool in the morning ?? tis 95F at the computer,at 05:00 in the morning.
, I'm gonna disown you, bloody Mary's when ya could be drinking COFFEE !Cool in the morning ?? tis 95F at the computer,at 05:00 in the morning.
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Not Peralta
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Amigo, 118f daytime temps, yes, bloody marys in the mornin, dewers in the afternoon and evening,plus my nice montecristo's,Bloody Mary's
Cool in the morning ?? tis 95F at the computer,at 05:00 in the morning.
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