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[somehiker]

I still don't understand WHY the PSMs are put into the LDM forum at all. What exactly do the Peralta Stone Maps have to do with the Lost Dutchman's mine of Jacob Waltz? Thanks in advance.

Maybe cause so many like yourself call them the "Peralta Stone Maps".
And the Waltz/LDM mystery included the Peraltas.

 

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[azdave35]

I might have some idea of the story, since Rick Gwynne was the one that found them! LOL Is it a RED Story?

Mike

nothing to do with rick....pretty good story though....alot of drama...lol

 

[azdave35]

What you have stated in your post about treasure close to Yellow Peak would has the same result like a fake or phony map.
IMHO, there is not any treasure around that region and never was. Only if somebody lost his Rolex watch while hiking on that mountain.

marius...you are way off base here....all the local hunters know about it and are scared to death of it...most wont even go in the area because they think the treasure has a curse on it...believe it or not

 

[deducer]

I still don't understand WHY the PSMs are put into the LDM forum at all. What exactly do the Peralta Stone Maps have to do with the Lost Dutchman's mine of Jacob Waltz? Thanks in advance.

What do the many other legends discussed in this forum have to do with the LDM either? The Stone Crosses, Salazar survey, Fish map, Reavis, Crazy Jake, Crawford, The LaFrance cave of gold, the Massacres, the Peraltas/Gonzales, Goldfield, the various Native American legends (Apache, Yavapai, and Pima), Cave of a thousand eyes, the Black Legion, and many other subjects, legends, and stories which you also have participated in and discussed extensively?

IMO, I think this forum should be renamed "All things Superstition Mountains" because as we know, there is much more to these mountains than just the LDM.

You successfully lobbied to get "Jesuit Treasures" kicked out of this forum. Are you going to try to do the same with the Stone Maps?

 

[azdave35]

Then why not start a petition to have them removed from display at the museum.
Maybe organize a protest march or something to go along with it.
Seem to work for the folks getting Civil War statues removed lately.

you do have a point wayne...its not the statues or stones causing the trouble...its the idiots that cause all the problems

 

[azdave35]

Maybe cause so many like yourself call them the "Peralta Stone Maps".
And the Waltz/LDM mystery included the Peraltas.

i just call them doorstops...lol

 

[somehiker]

you do have a point wayne...its not the statues or stones causing the trouble...its the idiots that cause all the problems

Now yer talkin true.

 

[somehiker]

i just call them doorstops...lol

I've called them that a few times myself actually....but mainly to keep the skeptics warm and happy.
Cause who knows when one of them might come up with something good.

 

[sdcfia]

Thanks for the Peralta info and link Steve.
Look familiar ?
That Caballo and Cobollo are both singular.
The dashed line down the center.
The unusual "R" of "RIO" and the unusual " circle in circle" at the bottom of the dashed line.
Other stuff as well..........

I've been skeptical of NP's map because of the Jesuit implications, but, yes, I do see similarities between it, the Horse Map and with the MLCXVI ANNO MARIANO map.

Circles in circles? They can be found carved in rock at several strategic locations. As with all this stuff, we'd like to know who carved these symbols and when. IMO, accurate petroglyph dating is pretty much a fool's errand, but many of these particular carvings seem not to be all that old to me. If true, many implications could be drawn.

 

[azdave35]

I've been skeptical of NP's map because of the Jesuit implications, but, yes, I do see similarities between it, the Horse Map and with the MLCXVI ANNO MARIANO map.

Circles in circles? They can be found carved in rock at several strategic locations. As with all this stuff, we'd like to know who carved these symbols and when. IMO, accurate petroglyph dating is pretty much a fool's errand, but many of these particular carvings seem not to be all that old to me. If true, many implications could be drawn.

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which one is np's map?

 

[sdcfia]

which one is np's map?

The red one that somehiker posted in Post #1048.

 

[azdave35]

The red one that somehiker posted in Post #1048.

sorry..i meant what does np mean?

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Does anyone know if Jacob Waltz had a middle name, or initial?

His middle name was Friederich...why do you ask, if it's something you don't mind sharing?

EDIT: He was named Jacob after his grandfather on his father's side, and Friederich after his grandfather on his mother's side, if that helps.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

sorry..i meant what does np mean?

'Nuther Phony?

 

[sdcfia]

sorry..i meant what does np mean?

Hmmm ... if I remember correctly (not guaranteed), it stands for the poster who called himself "not peralta", or something similar.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Not Peralta.

EDIT: Sorry for double-tap Steve

 

[azdave35]

'Nuther Phony?

 

[azdave35]

Not Peralta.

thats what i thought....anyone know what happened to him?

 

[PotBelly Jim]

thats what i thought....anyone know what happened to him?

He passed away...you probably knew him by his real name...I can't recall it but Marius was friends with him.

 

[JohnWhite]

The stones are what they are...Stones...lol...As IF they might lead to the Santa Fe of the Cursum Perficio...

Ed T