Ryano
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Interesting but why the hell would Incas travel 3000 miles on foot or longer by boat to Oak Island to bury something important to them ?
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I think oak island may have been a (anhandrite?) mine all along. BUT, the bits of things pulled up is what would make me spend my life there like the Blankenships. Even if it all turned out to be nothing. They and those like them are the real treasure of Oak Island! The Spirit of the Treasure Hunter lives!
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Does not answer my question at all.
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First time poster here. Please don't beat me up too much. I'm not a treasure hunter, and have never been metal detecting. That being said, I really respect this hobby/ profession on all levels. I live 3 or 4 hours from Oak Island on the US side and have been familiar with the story for around 15 years. I believe I've heard all of the plausible theories of who might have buried what, in the "money pit." I had heard rumors of Dan Blankenship's theory, which is close to mine, but had not heard it directly from him. I probably should have put this in the, "Bizarre, Strange, etc" thread about Oak Island, but since it was being discussed here I though it would be fine. I would like to add that I am in no way, shape or form an expert, or even an amateur. I have no education past a public high-school level. I have no documentation, or evidence in hand to prove my theory. I just like the Oak Island story, and spend way too much time thinking about it. And when I think about it, I like to imagine great things, not empty holes.
First I'd like to cover the skeptics side.
1. I know there is a widely-believed theory that the pit is a natural sink-hole, perhaps caused by a cave-in of the anhydrite. I believe the discoverers did find log platforms every 10 feet or so. I believe the Leginas found wood (And possibly concrete) in core samples last year, and in last night's episode. I believe men put the wood there.
2. I know of the theory of "pranks" that the Freemason's do. This conspiracy is traced back well into the Roman Empire. Almost every single Mason's "prank" I have heard of involves literally no manual labor. I have heard the Beale Cyphers are a Mason's "prank." This would make sense to me because no physical labor is needed to pull it off. I happen to have a manual labor job, and I would never join a club who makes its initiates dig a 5-foot hole, let alone a 90+ foot hole. Why not make them shingle your roof while they are at it. Maybe plow the fields, too. That's just me.
Now to my hole-filled theory.
Long-story, short. (Just from recollection and quick google serches. Feel free to correct anything.) Hernan Cortez, and his second-cousin, Francisco Pizarro were basically the financiers of the New World for Spain. Cortez handled all monetary issues in Cuba from 1511-1519. This included enslaving natives for his mines. Pizarro held the same authority in Panama City from 1519-1523. Then from 1519-1535, they undertake an all-out assault on South America. To my understanding Pizarro only returned to Spain a handful of times between 1519 and the time of his assassination in 1541. Cortez only returned to Spain in 1528 to contest that he had not withheld gold due to the Crown.
I believe these two men had every incentive and opportunity to amass an enormous treasure (over a relatively long period of time) and eventually formulate a plan to hide this treasure to try and ensure their family's future. The United States legacy is that the founders were tired of sending back the spoils of their hard labor to an unappreciative Crown. Why not Spanish Colonists as well? Surely they felt as though they could have matched military presence being that far away from Spain. I also find the tales of conquest curious. There always seemed to be such a small group (The Famous Thirteen) conquering these massive cities. Small groups are easier to pay off than big ones. Cortez ruining his ships. Finding El Dorado but not pursuing it for various reasons. Re-discovering it but it is in ruins.
To me, these two men fit every single aspect of the mystery. They are of the most famous explorers, so navigating to Nova Scotia would have been like driving to the in-laws to us. The earliest European settlement in the area was St. Croix in 1605. The Mi'kmaq were much less of a militaristic threat than they were used to in South America. Anyone looking to make settlements would most likely go where fruit the size basketball's grow, not where ice covers the ground 6 months a year. They were held accountable by no one as long as the king got his gold shipments. They owned slaves that were mining specialists. And the best part...They aren't Knights Templar.
Anyway, the theory is more detailed, but you get the point. I'm sure there is a smoking gun that explains why my theory isn't even remotely possible, but it drives me nuts that such a plausible sounding theory hasn't even been mentioned before. I apologize if someone else has stated this theory before. I swear I'm not ripping anyone off. I haven't even read any of the published books on Oak Island. I just read what I can find on the internet. So if you share this theory I'd love to hear more of what you think. I just couldn't believe that Blankenship thought it was the Incas, and not the Spanish.
First I'd like to cover the skeptics side.
1. I know there is a widely-believed theory that the pit is a natural sink-hole, perhaps caused by a cave-in of the anhydrite. I believe the discoverers did find log platforms every 10 feet or so. I believe the Leginas found wood (And possibly concrete) in core samples last year, and in last night's episode. I believe men put the wood there.
2. I know of the theory of "pranks" that the Freemason's do. This conspiracy is traced back well into the Roman Empire. Almost every single Mason's "prank" I have heard of involves literally no manual labor. I have heard the Beale Cyphers are a Mason's "prank." This would make sense to me because no physical labor is needed to pull it off. I happen to have a manual labor job, and I would never join a club who makes its initiates dig a 5-foot hole, let alone a 90+ foot hole. Why not make them shingle your roof while they are at it. Maybe plow the fields, too. That's just me.
Now to my hole-filled theory.
Long-story, short. (Just from recollection and quick google serches. Feel free to correct anything.) Hernan Cortez, and his second-cousin, Francisco Pizarro were basically the financiers of the New World for Spain. Cortez handled all monetary issues in Cuba from 1511-1519. This included enslaving natives for his mines. Pizarro held the same authority in Panama City from 1519-1523. Then from 1519-1535, they undertake an all-out assault on South America. To my understanding Pizarro only returned to Spain a handful of times between 1519 and the time of his assassination in 1541. Cortez only returned to Spain in 1528 to contest that he had not withheld gold due to the Crown. I believe these two men had every incentive and opportunity to amass an enormous treasure (over a relatively long period of time) and eventually formulate a plan to hide this treasure to try and ensure their family's future. The United States legacy is that the founders were tired of sending back the spoils of their hard labor to an unappreciative Crown. Why not Spanish Colonists as well? Surely they felt as though they could have matched military presence being that far away from Spain. I also find the tales of conquest curious. There always seemed to be such a small group (The Famous Thirteen) conquering these massive cities. Small groups are easier to pay off than big ones. Cortez ruining his ships. Finding El Dorado but not pursuing it for various reasons. Re-discovering it but it is in ruins.
To me, these two men fit every single aspect of the mystery. They are of the most famous explorers, so navigating to Nova Scotia would have been like driving to the in-laws to us. The earliest European settlement in the area was St. Croix in 1605. The Mi'kmaq were much less of a militaristic threat than they were used to in South America. Anyone looking to make settlements would most likely go where fruit the size basketball's grow, not where ice covers the ground 6 months a year. They were held accountable by no one as long as the king got his gold shipments. They owned slaves that were mining specialists. And the best part...They aren't Knights Templar.
Anyway, the theory is more detailed, but you get the point. I'm sure there is a smoking gun that explains why my theory isn't even remotely possible, but it drives me nuts that such a plausible sounding theory hasn't even been mentioned before. I apologize if someone else has stated this theory before. I swear I'm not ripping anyone off. I haven't even read any of the published books on Oak Island. I just read what I can find on the internet. So if you share this theory I'd love to hear more of what you think. I just couldn't believe that Blankenship thought it was the Incas, and not the Spanish.
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First time poster here. Please don't beat me up too much. I'm not a treasure hunter, and have never been metal detecting. That being said, I really respect this hobby/ profession on all levels. I live 3 or 4 hours from Oak Island on the US side and have been familiar with the story for around 15 years. I believe I've heard all of the plausible theories of who might have buried what, in the "money pit." I had heard rumors of Dan Blankenship's theory, which is close to mine, but had not heard it directly from him. I probably should have put this in the, "Bizarre, Strange, etc" thread about Oak Island, but since it was being discussed here I though it would be fine. I would like to add that I am in no way, shape or form an expert, or even an amateur. I have no education past a public high-school level. I have no documentation, or evidence in hand to prove my theory. I just like the Oak Island story, and spend way too much time thinking about it. And when I think about it, I like to imagine great things, not empty holes.
First I'd like to cover the skeptics side.
1. I know there is a widely-believed theory that the pit is a natural sink-hole, perhaps caused by a cave-in of the anhydrite. I believe the discoverers did find log platforms every 10 feet or so. I believe the Leginas found wood (And possibly concrete) in core samples last year, and in last night's episode. I believe men put the wood there.
2. I know of the theory of "pranks" that the Freemason's do. This conspiracy is traced back well into the Roman Empire. Almost every single Mason's "prank" I have heard of involves literally no manual labor. I have heard the Beale Cyphers are a Mason's "prank." This would make sense to me because no physical labor is needed to pull it off. I happen to have a manual labor job, and I would never join a club who makes its initiates dig a 5-foot hole, let alone a 90+ foot hole. Why not make them shingle your roof while they are at it. Maybe plow the fields, too. That's just me.
Now to my hole-filled theory.
I believe these two men had every incentive and opportunity to amass an enormous treasure (over a relatively long period of time) and eventually formulate a plan to hide this treasure to try and ensure their family's future. The United States legacy is that the founders were tired of sending back the spoils of their hard labor to an unappreciative Crown. Why not Spanish Colonists as well? Surely they felt as though they could have matched military presence being that far away from Spain. I also find the tales of conquest curious. There always seemed to be such a small group (The Famous Thirteen) conquering these massive cities. Small groups are easier to pay off than big ones. Cortez ruining his ships. Finding El Dorado but not pursuing it for various reasons. Re-discovering it but it is in ruins.
To me, these two men fit every single aspect of the mystery. They are of the most famous explorers, so navigating to Nova Scotia would have been like driving to the in-laws to us. The earliest European settlement in the area was St. Croix in 1605. The Mi'kmaq were much less of a militaristic threat than they were used to in South America. Anyone looking to make settlements would most likely go where fruit the size basketball's grow, not where ice covers the ground 6 months a year. They were held accountable by no one as long as the king got his gold shipments. They owned slaves that were mining specialists. And the best part...They aren't Knights Templar.
Anyway, the theory is more detailed, but you get the point. I'm sure there is a smoking gun that explains why my theory isn't even remotely possible, but it drives me nuts that such a plausible sounding theory hasn't even been mentioned before. I apologize if someone else has stated this theory before. I swear I'm not ripping anyone off. I haven't even read any of the published books on Oak Island. I just read what I can find on the internet. So if you share this theory I'd love to hear more of what you think. I just couldn't believe that Blankenship thought it was the Incas, and not the Spanish.
Welcome to the Adventure !
Great intro,
I am reading now about the European settlement in St. Croix in 1605 and other things about Samuel de Champlain.
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Both Barrels…From a “Smoking Gun”!
Originally Posted by ILikeTreasureStories
I'm sure there is a smoking gun
The “Smoking Gun” I have with Dan Blankenship’s Theory that the Inca were responsible for Oak Island… is they did not have access to “Coconut Fiber” to construct with, it was not present in South America until the early 17[SUP]th[/SUP] Century.
The “Smoking Gun” I have with Francisco Pizarro’s Theory that he built Oak Island in the early part of the 1500’s …is that the Oak Tree at this time would not even have been an “Acorn”, and being that no roots were claimed to have been found inside the shaft, as they were removed by the Original Builders witnessing that the Oak Tree was very much present during their mid-1700’s construction.
I'm sure there is a smoking gun
The “Smoking Gun” I have with Dan Blankenship’s Theory that the Inca were responsible for Oak Island… is they did not have access to “Coconut Fiber” to construct with, it was not present in South America until the early 17[SUP]th[/SUP] Century.
The “Smoking Gun” I have with Francisco Pizarro’s Theory that he built Oak Island in the early part of the 1500’s …is that the Oak Tree at this time would not even have been an “Acorn”, and being that no roots were claimed to have been found inside the shaft, as they were removed by the Original Builders witnessing that the Oak Tree was very much present during their mid-1700’s construction.
Not true... Dunfield dug deep enough to abandon the hole because there was nothing to be found. Some accounts say 135 and others say 150. The reality is that no one dug a pit that deep on Oak Island without modern machinery. The water table does not allow it.
On another note... A quick look on Google Earth shows that there is nothing strange about the swamp and there are countless other areas on the mainland showing the same attributes. A brief internet search tells us that sink holes are very prevalent in this geographical area.
There are more treasures to be found that have more authenticity than Oak Island.
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Welcome to the forum and the discussion.. Your theory certainly is as plausible as many offered and much more then some.. Hopefully we will know soon if anything of significance was buried in the pit.
I think we all grow up being "wannabe" treasure hunters.. I am sure we have all dreamed of finding treasure...
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The literature suggests that Chappels vault was found at 153 feet and Dunfeild stopped at 134 feet.
Oak Island Money Pit Treasure - Canada History and Mysteries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Island#Restall_family_and_Robert_Dunfield
What is your source for claiming that Dunfeild dug deeper?
I would think the brothers would not be excited about the possibility of having found the vault if there was any evidence that Dunfeild had dug below that depth
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Iron barrier at 171 feet ??!
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Yep... From what I have read the drill bit hit something that was very hard. I do not know what actual proof that this was an iron barrier. here is a reference
Oak Island Secrets
By Mark Finnan (1995)
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Reading over the earlier interviews with Dan I think he believes the Spanish hid the Incas treasure on oak island not the incas themselves.
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Ha ha But the two most knowledgeable treasure hunters have different theories.
Fred Nolan believed the most likely group that buried the treasure were the English solders/engineers during the American revolution (hiding loot)(This is the theory I find the most plausible if treasure was buried at 200+ feet)
Dan Blankenship believes the Spanish hid stolen Inca treasure there...
Hopefully we will know soon......
I personally don't see anything plausible at 100+ feet.
not even using an old mine. being a small island, it was almost certainly
a sponge from all directions. they can't sink their large tubes to that depth
without hitting water . I can't imagine a mine getting that deep unless it was dug long before
the ice age and before the ocean .
and forget traps. if you can't reach that depth straight down
without getting flooded, you certainly can't tunnel sideways at that depth
without magic. and sorry ! they ain't gonna convince me of magic ant people,
or Merlin
so sorry!the way I see.....
the only way there was a tunnel there before Treasure hunters dug it,
was if it was dug pre- our- history as we know it
not even using an old mine. being a small island, it was almost certainly
a sponge from all directions. they can't sink their large tubes to that depth
without hitting water . I can't imagine a mine getting that deep unless it was dug long before
the ice age and before the ocean .
and forget traps. if you can't reach that depth straight down
without getting flooded, you certainly can't tunnel sideways at that depth
without magic. and sorry ! they ain't gonna convince me of magic ant people,
or Merlin
so sorry!the way I see.....
the only way there was a tunnel there before Treasure hunters dug it,
was if it was dug pre- our- history as we know it
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I personally don't see anything plausible at 100+ feet.
not even using an old mine. being a small island, it was almost certainly
a sponge from all directions. they can't sink their large tubes to that depth
without hitting water . I can't imagine a mine getting that deep unless it was dug long before
the ice age and before the ocean .
and forget traps. if you can't reach that depth straight down
without getting flooded, you certainly can't tunnel sideways at that depth
without magic. and sorry ! they ain't gonna convince me of magic ant people,
or Merlin
so sorry!the way I see.....
the only way there was a tunnel there before Treasure hunters dug it,
was if it was dug pre- our- history as we know it
Yes but the ley lines are down there in the tunnels and the tunnels extend under the Atlantic Ocean to the Vatican and Copenhagen to Africa and South America where the Incas lived before moving North burying their treasure and jumping down the shaft to fill it back up with Ocean Sand from a Ocean that has been rising for the past 500 years.
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Yep.. I find it hard to see not just "how" but "why" you would bury something that deep.
As stated earlier I think the answer was really given at end of last season by the decedents of the boys who found it.
Even the author above premises his statement with "at least in the minds of those present".
So I wonder what have the brothers found... So far all we have seen is some old wood. I will need to see a lot more before I start believing that Chapels vault exists and they have found it.
yea they are gonna show a piece of wood with circles on it next show.
most likely as believable as the piece of slate with the fresh scratches 2 weeks ago
which of course will set them up to go to the swamp or on Vacation to italy again
before ending the season.
all I can say for sure is I'll finish out the season.
but odds are. like Gold Rush this year it will be shelved by me.
and I'll just read comments here rather then let myself fall for the b.s. on the tv.
Ricks remarks last week to let things set for awhile now that they found more wood,
was my breaking point.
they will probably Imagine the wood they dug into has hieroglyphs of some type on it,
so they don't have to tear it apart digging. making the excuse they don't want to damage it more.
they don't want to dig it up.
and prove them all fools.
they want money from producers and financiers.
but I still wonder what hold Rick has over Marty.
Marty looked very Disappointed when Rick suggested he wanted to stop here and Figure a New noninvasive way to get to the Bottom.
But My guess Marty will fall inline if it wasn't an act in the first place.
most likely as believable as the piece of slate with the fresh scratches 2 weeks ago
which of course will set them up to go to the swamp or on Vacation to italy again
before ending the season.
all I can say for sure is I'll finish out the season.
but odds are. like Gold Rush this year it will be shelved by me.
and I'll just read comments here rather then let myself fall for the b.s. on the tv.
Ricks remarks last week to let things set for awhile now that they found more wood,
was my breaking point.
they will probably Imagine the wood they dug into has hieroglyphs of some type on it,
so they don't have to tear it apart digging. making the excuse they don't want to damage it more.
they don't want to dig it up.
and prove them all fools.
they want money from producers and financiers.
but I still wonder what hold Rick has over Marty.
Marty looked very Disappointed when Rick suggested he wanted to stop here and Figure a New noninvasive way to get to the Bottom.
But My guess Marty will fall inline if it wasn't an act in the first place.
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For the first time on the show Marty is the one gung ho and Rick is holding back.. I don't think that will last long though. Not many choices to do it any other way. The machinery is there so keep going. Other choice is to send a diver down there with a pick-ax and bucket. I understand that IF they were to destroy the Ark of the Covenant they'd go down in history as the ones who did it not for the ones that found it... They have to know going in this is still a hit or miss attempt and realistically they didn't find much wood. Bring up a chunk of it that looks like it is nailed together to make a box or something and we'll think about it then...
The current depth they have said to have found a vault at with their core drilling is 135ft. If you go by some reports Dunfield stopped a foot short of finding the mythical vault. If you go by other reports he went to 150ft and found nothing. Well see in the next season if they found anything....
