So... Please tell me Why does a metal detector cost $2499 again?

[el padron]

You're Soooo smart aren't you. I've listened to you for fifty one pages and haven't told you yet.....because you just ASSumed. So here it is smartie guy. I paid exactly..............$0.00 for it. How and why is none of your business.....but one more time.....$0.00! LOL

For fifty one pages everyone has told you that it's their prerogative to buy what ever they want without your condescending attitude.

For fifty one pages everyone has responded to your opinions of how crappy pretty much all detectors.

For fifty one pages we have been assaulted by your ego.

So there it is.....$0.00. Explain diminishing returns to me on $0.00. If I sold my Minelab CTX 3030 tomorrow, from recent closed auctions I estimate an average of $2050.00.

So, Please do the math for me........................What is the percent of return on my money? ($0.00 - $2050.00)

I wait with baited breath for your most intelligent, well thought out, enlightening response.

If you can get the same deal for me I would like 1,000,000. of them.

No offense, I never meant to make anyone feel uncomfortable or feel insulted at all.
I just thought more people would agree with me, thats all.

 

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[treasuresalvor]

I rent my girlfriends. When I add up the price I pay for that it seems expensive at the time but compared to the alternative I'm "getting off" cheap. My long term "cost" for companionship is very low and I get great value for my money. No maintenance fees if you will. Cost is calculated at the end of a products useful life, not at the time of purchase. The value of any given item or service is different for everyone, I wouldn't walk across the street for a new Corvette but I love my old piece of junk Porsche. Price has nothing to do with that. I'm just glad that we still have the right to decide how we spend our own money, to an extent.

 

[el padron]

I rent my girlfriends. When I add up the price I pay for that it seems expensive at the time but compared to the alternative I'm "getting off" cheap. My long term "cost" for companionship is very low and I get great value for my money. No maintenance fees if you will. Cost is calculated at the end of a products useful life, not at the time of purchase. The value of any given item or service is different for everyone, I wouldn't walk across the street for a new Corvette but I love my old piece of junk Porsche. Price has nothing to do with that. I'm just glad that we still have the right to decide how we spend our own money, to an extent.

Yes, and on the bright side, since we've been debating this for 10 months we now have a waterproof pro pointer.
That is really huge in my book

 

[treasuresalvor]

Yes, and on the bright side, since we've been debating this for 10 months we now have a waterproof pro pointer.
That is really huge in my book

Yes, but are they overpriced?

 

[el padron]

Yes, but are they overpriced?

Yes, probably, but the original insult has been acknowledged.
The seals have been added. At least it does what they claim it will do.
Now we can each make a decision on wether to purchase (another) one or not based on the value it provides in exchange for $135

The current one's warranty is (still) technically void if you get it wet.

You believe that? They are warning you not to get the pro pointer wet. Its not even water resistant.
Well that changed recently (hopefully).

 

[treasuresalvor]

Caveat emptor. I agree, technology advances, build quality is gets worse, and prices go up. These companies spend their money on R&D and marketing and put very little into the manufacturing process. The world is full of plastic junk. Tesoro still uses metal.

 

[el padron]

Caveat emptor. I agree, technology advances, build quality is gets worse, and prices go up. These companies spend their money on R&D and marketing and put very little into the manufacturing process. The world is full of plastic junk. Tesoro still uses metal.

thank you

 

[Jason in Enid]

Caveat emptor. I agree, technology advances, build quality is gets worse, and prices go up. These companies spend their money on R&D and marketing and put very little into the manufacturing process. The world is full of plastic junk. Tesoro still uses metal.

But hasn't done anything with R&D in a decade.

 

[Higgy]

But hasn't done anything with R&D in a decade.

But their stuff works without bells and whistles. What Tesoro does, it does extremely well.

What do we need all that extra fluff for? Just so the manufacturer can squeeze more $$ out of us? What is the sense of buying a $2500 detector and still dig everything? Because we truly do not know - even with target ID - what is under the soil. So in this case, all that other stuff is merely a time-consuming frivolity.

Inversely, the manufacturer that invents technology to ID a target with 100% accuracy will rule the metal detecting world, because it will instantly make all other detectors obsolete. Now THAT is a detector that I will pay $2500 or higher for.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

But their stuff works without bells and whistles. What Tesoro does, it does extremely well.

What do we need all that extra fluff for? Just so the manufacturer can squeeze more $$ out of us? What is the sense of buying a $2500 detector and still dig everything? Because we truly do not know - even with target ID - what is under the soil. So in this case, all that other stuff is merely a time-consuming frivolity.

Inversely, the manufacturer that invents technology to ID a target with 100% accuracy will rule the metal detecting world, because it will instantly make all other detectors obsolete. Now THAT is a detector that I will pay $2500 or higher for.

Target ID gives some hunters more of a choice to dig or not.

As example Nokta's vibrating handle and built in flashlight is a great new feature, they are only one doing it as far as I know. I have been very happy with my ETrac, not a $2500 detector but over $1500....

Some act like the manufacturers are forcing you to buy their products, they don't, it is a choice consumers make.

Why does the auto industry add all the new features to a new car? it still takes you from point A to point B. TV manufacturers are constantly upgrading their TVs, as are stereos, refrigerators, boats, firearms, archery, fishing and the list goes on and on.

Not sure why some people are angry because other people buy something, maybe it is jealousy, just don't know. It is not like the min price of a detector is $2500, you can buy a detector for $40 or you can buy one for $2500 it is a personal choice...

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[Jason in Enid]

But their stuff works without bells and whistles. What Tesoro does, it does extremely well.

What do we need all that extra fluff for? Just so the manufacturer can squeeze more $$ out of us? What is the sense of buying a $2500 detector and still dig everything? Because we truly do not know - even with target ID - what is under the soil. So in this case, all that other stuff is merely a time-consuming frivolity.

Inversely, the manufacturer that invents technology to ID a target with 100% accuracy will rule the metal detecting world, because it will instantly make all other detectors obsolete. Now THAT is a detector that I will pay $2500 or higher for.

Whether specific features are "fluff" or useful tools depends on the user. What about the CTX (the only "$2500 detector") is fluff? Is the ability to set tone pitch and range for targets fluff? Is the ability to use it without fear of rain storms or dropping it in the water fluff? Is being able to record the GPS locations of finds (with the exact target VDI and depth) fluff? Is a multi-frequency detector fluff? Maybe a detector that uses time domain detection technology so that it simply ignores the vast amount of mineralization in the ground is fluff?

Of course, everyone is free to use 40 year old single freq, linear scale discrimination if they choose. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's far from modern. I'm all for people using what they like and being happy with the detector they choose. Unlike certain other members here (not talking about you Higgy) I don't insult people because they use something different than me.

 

[digging down under]

HI all. just joined the forum from south Australia. I have read all the threads on this post. great.i stated a similar opinion on forums here. I was;nt popular ! I am not an engineer,nor an electronics specialist. I just thought that detectors should be better than they are, regardless of price, given the cheap components and build quality and antiquated technology. that's all. quantum physics? nah.
I have a Tesoro compadre. had an bh 3300 discovery, then an ace 350 in my first 2 years detecting. I wasn't finding much. I then got a minelab 305, wow, what a difference.so many features and value for money. the technology goes back years tho, to the 30 model, what, 2000/1 ?well, had no money for awhile, for a joke, I got a jaycar/ tandy/
$59.95 unit.dang if that thing didn't find coins etc, maybe 5 inches down, maybe deeper in the right conditions. also the analogue vu meter is accurate as a reading for ferrous/non ferrous targets and pinpointing, right in the centre of the coil. I have checked those areas with the compadre,and never found anything else on those sites. scratched my head somewhat, wondering why. I had a look inside the jaycar, only a 6 inch coil, but has a circuit board inside. checked the control box - it has a lot more circuitry/components than the compadre, for $59.95? I have looked at detector kits,including SVEN's, and electronic component catalogues. buggered if I can see why any detector is worth the money. R&D? - no. it's all obsolete technology.bluetooth, gps,even bbs/fbs is old news. the basics date back to about 1880 or so.nobody wants to rock the boat/market. any electronics engineer without any vested interests, could produce an up to date machine. it won't happen. we are driving/using, model t fords.

 

[Limitool]

Hell I still can't figure out all the options on my White's XLT Spectrum e-series. Still have stock coil that came with it. Around $600.00-$700.00 new I think. My wife bought it for me years ago for Christmas. I just dig everything. Mainly horseshoes!!!!!! I just set it for relics which I believe picks up EVERYTHING.

Heck a few months ago somewhere here in Tnet I read where somebody said to swing this machine (mine) fast not slow because of the processor (I think). I do need to learn a lot more about this machine but I do have fun with it.

 

[roobinjake]

get a used tesoro lobo super traq great machine

 

[el padron]

HI all. just joined the forum from south Australia. I have read all the threads on this post. great.i stated a similar opinion on forums here. I was;nt popular ! I am not an engineer,nor an electronics specialist. I just thought that detectors should be better than they are, regardless of price, given the cheap components and build quality and antiquated technology. that's all. quantum physics? nah.
I have a Tesoro compadre. had an bh 3300 discovery, then an ace 350 in my first 2 years detecting. I wasn't finding much. I then got a minelab 305, wow, what a difference.so many features and value for money. the technology goes back years tho, to the 30 model, what, 2000/1 ?well, had no money for awhile, for a joke, I got a jaycar/ tandy/
$59.95 unit.dang if that thing didn't find coins etc, maybe 5 inches down, maybe deeper in the right conditions. also the analogue vu meter is accurate as a reading for ferrous/non ferrous targets and pinpointing, right in the centre of the coil. I have checked those areas with the compadre,and never found anything else on those sites. scratched my head somewhat, wondering why. I had a look inside the jaycar, only a 6 inch coil, but has a circuit board inside. checked the control box - it has a lot more circuitry/components than the compadre, for $59.95? I have looked at detector kits,including SVEN's, and electronic component catalogues. buggered if I can see why any detector is worth the money. R&D? - no. it's all obsolete technology.bluetooth, gps,even bbs/fbs is old news. the basics date back to about 1880 or so.nobody wants to rock the boat/market. any electronics engineer without any vested interests, could produce an up to date machine. it won't happen. we are driving/using, model t fords.

It's the pink elephant in the room. Most every one here knows it.
Its very very unpopular to breach the subject.

Its a very interesting circumstance and a perfect storm for the amateur treasure recovery industry and its beneficiaries.

The Hobbyists / customers are extremely loyal to the point of fanaticism.
The most stringent defend the huge margins in the name of brand loyalty.

There are many cases where they proudly display "fixes" that they make themselves on relatively new and very expensive equipment.
Its unbelievably amazing, because they often don't ever once mention, "I wonder why this fell apart, or broke at this particular place?", or "I paid a lot of money for this, why isn't it water resistant?"

When people start asking questions about quality and or specific technology beyond the hype the dealers literally start foaming at the mouth.
If you question their choice of purchases, some of their customers do too.

It's very unpopular to even breach the subject here.
They are just not used to people asking them real questions.

Most of the equipment is adequate. Its fine, its just that the technology is unbelievably and intentionally antiquated and over priced.
The materials used are generally the absolute cheapest available, lately some improvement has been made concerning this issue.

The margins are unbelievably over and beyond other modern consumer electronics which feature far more expensive technology.

The difference is that this particular target market demographic is unbelievably vulnerable to the marketing that they are exposed to.

 

[releventchair]

Folks pay high rent places too. By choice of living there. Avg. over 3000 a mo. in San. Fran. A months rent or a detector? My monthly house payment is around an AT Pro.
Maybe that's how folks should choose their detectors value. like getting engaged and supporting the diamond monopolies or something. How about a diamonds value today compared to over a hundred years ago when pearls were the hot item.
Whats a diamond really worth?

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Diggin Down U. & El P.,

If you can build a better detector all state-of-the-art and rugged for $200 please do it. I'll buy one.

We're currently kind of limited to buying what is for sale.

 

[dirtscratcher]

Diggin Down U. & El P.,

If you can build a better detector all state-of-the-art and rugged for $200 please do it. I'll buy one.

We're currently kind of limited to buying what is for sale.

Put me down for one.

 

[Nugs Bunny]

No we don't all have Corvettes, but I do, and like I said it cost General Motors a whole lot more than $50,000 to make a new one, Look it up

So would you consider paying more than $2500 for a CTX 3030?
How much more would you be willing to pay? Just curious.

Sure we all have Corvettes... anything is possible on the internet!

As far as it costing GM over 50 grand to produce a new Corvette, I posted a statement from Mark Reuss that contradicts your opinion. But hey what would the president of General Motors know about Corvettes.

Corvette: Profitable For General Motors | GM Authority
The Corvette Is A Profitable Affair For General Motors

But with that kind of low sales volume, one might think that The General might be taking a loss on the Corvette to drum up the image of the Chevrolet brand. This is not the case, as the Corvette turns a healthy profit by itself, according to President of GM North America Mark Reuss.“This [The Corvette] makes as much money as any of the top-profit models in our company,” Reuss said. “That is why we do it.”

SO where do you suggest I "look it up"? All I can find to support your opinion is rumor and assumptions on other forums.

The only vehicle GM currently loses money on is the Chevy Volt... Look it up!

Back in 2012 they were third in profit per car, back in 2006 they lost money on every car they produced. This was due to retirement and pensions... not the cost of production.

GM did not lose profits because it cost so much to produce a car... they lost profits due to the Corporate buyout of several other car manufacturers. They inherited thousands of workers along with thousands of retirement packages. Currently GM turns a profit and this is very easy to prove, just look up their quarterly reports.

Unless you can post a link from a credible source I call bull on the opinion it cost over 50 grand to produce a Vette.

I looked it up and found the exact opposite! "...the Corvette turns a healthy profit by itself, according to President of GM North America Mark Reuss. The Corvette makes as much money as any of the top-profit models in our company, Reuss said.”

 

[el padron]

Sure we all have Corvettes... anything is possible on the internet!

As far as it costing GM over 50 grand to produce a new Corvette, I posted a statement from Mark Reuss that contradicts your opinion. But hey what would the president of General Motors know about Corvettes.





SO where do you suggest I "look it up"? All I can find to support your opinion is rumor and assumptions on other forums.

The only vehicle GM currently loses money on is the Chevy Volt... Look it up!

Back in 2012 they were third in profit per car, back in 2006 they lost money on every car they produced. This was due to retirement and pensions... not the cost of production.

GM did not lose profits because it cost so much to produce a car... they lost profits due to the Corporate buyout of several other car manufacturers. They inherited thousands of workers along with thousands of retirement packages. Currently GM turns a profit and this is very easy to prove, just look up their quarterly reports.

Unless you can post a link from a credible source I call bull on the opinion it cost over 50 grand to produce a Vette.

I looked it up and found the exact opposite! "...the Corvette turns a healthy profit by itself, according to President of GM North America Mark Reuss. The Corvette tmakes as much money as any of the top-profit models in our company, Reuss said.”

LoL,
You want pictures of me with all the metal detectors.and cars.?
The apartment buildings too?
How about the two strip centers in Texas?
The beautiful ranch in San Diego County?
My oceanfront home in Mexico 40 minutes south of the border?
You should see the girl I'm dating........
Sometimes I reflect, and yes, I could see how it sounds like a dream...
I just worked real hard and one day not too long ago there was more money at the end of the month then there was at the beginning, that's all.

My reality is something that most working class people will never ever achieve, and believe me, I am grateful every day.

LOL, Of course anything is possible on the Internet, what I write just happens to also be true
It's not that big a deal to own a Corvette, but you are right, all things considered, it's still an impressive beautifull car.
Interestingly enough I didn't finance it though, I actually paid cash for it new.
That's definitely not something I would do today, but I've always been very satisfied with it.
I have enjoyed it for over 14 years, I think I mentioned it earlier in the thread.

I am going to leave all the research and Internet scouring to you.
Don't forget to look in Wikipedia.
Keep looking, tell us what you find.

Oh, and don't get married until you are in a position to benefit tremendously.