Solving the Beale Papers

[Rebel - KGC]

Well, if you want to accept the Hart papers....then Ward clearly details that the copies were destroyed before a plan for distribution had been formed. Of course, this is only if you want to accept this perfectly acceptable answer from the publication's agent?

By FIRE... in MANY stoves; to keep places WARM! VERY cold WINTER! (Ppl said...).

 

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[bigscoop]

By FIRE... to keep the place WARM! VERY cold WINTER!

Makes sense to most considering the amount and cost of numerous ads, the cost of printing, etc. I highly doubt that anyone of even basic mathematical skills would invest so much only to market that product in such a limited marketplace by design, hence never even offering them a chance of recovering their investment. Fires happen, investments are lost, refunding isn't always possible. A perfectly acceptable scenario.

 

[ECS]

Was the printing and adds actually paid for, or did John William Sherman "float" those costs?

 

[The Enigmatist]

You've made my day! You know, going through all the Masonic material, makes me want to become a Mason, but I dont' believe I would be viewed as objective by non-Masons, and possibly in violation of my oath to Masonry, so I've stayed away from joining....that being said- nothing but huge respect to Masonry- and I hope that respect is evident in the book.

 

[The Enigmatist]

Obviously, we don't know this- but Sherman did not own the Paper at the time of its first printing- Button did. Button was a pro-South, anti-Republican, anti-Reconstruction, pro-segregationist, who made most of his money prior to, and during the War, on slave auction advertisements. A small blurb about a for-sale paper would not have cost much; particularly if said paper was printed on an as-needed basis. Little known fact, but quick and easy duplication presses were readily available in 1884. There is no reason why the original could not have been sent to Lynchburg and duplicates made from it on an as-needed basis.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

You've made my day! You know, going through all the Masonic material, makes me want to become a Mason, but I dont' believe I would be viewed as objective by non-Masons, and possibly in violation of my oath to Masonry, so I've stayed away from joining....that being said- nothing but huge respect to Masonry- and I hope that respect is evident in the book.

WOULDN'T join "The Craft", today; gone TOO "High-Tech". Staying out is best for REAL FREE-THINKERS! Last year was my LAST; was "Blue Lodge" (MASTER MASON) since 1977... NO MORE! HA! DANG yearly dues are TOO HIGH!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

You've made my day! You know, going through all the Masonic material, makes me want to become a Mason, but I dont' believe I would be viewed as objective by non-Masons, and possibly in violation of my oath to Masonry, so I've stayed away from joining....that being said- nothing but huge respect to Masonry- and I hope that respect is evident in the book.

It is...

 

[The Enigmatist]

I'm going to have to come by and see this in person! I'm back in China at the moment.

 

[The Enigmatist]

I have to say, my original take on the Hart Papers were that they were a "2nd chapter" so to speak; a secondary thrust by two men who wanted to keep the original story alive- but after reading them about 100 times and "running" them through the same rigorous inspection I gave the TBPs, they turned up zero. So, I take that info with a grain of salt. I generally believe the base info, such as the interviews and their description of their own forays, as accurate- but their speculation is exactly that; speculation.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I'm going to have to come by and see this in person! I'm back in China at the moment.

Not a SPY, are ya...? (Just kidding...).

 

[The Enigmatist]

ECS- A great question- and a very important question. Best to think about this from a Masonic perspective? The need to actually make money off the publication was not, and is not, a factor to Masons. No Masonic author, writing specifically about a Masonic topic, has ever made money off of a story. So, profit cannot be considered. Ward himself, was not a Mason, when the Papers were released. My total answer to you would be so long, and require so much back and forth, that I suggest you pick up my book- not that I want to sell books...but the answer is complicated, and the easiest way to explain it is for you to simply read the whole of it on your own, rather than a drawn out explanation. I believe Reb would agree?

 

[The Enigmatist]

No, nothing so fun. I'm an art director for Shanghai Disney (currently under construction)

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I have to say, my original take on the Hart Papers were that they were a "2nd chapter" so to speak; a secondary thrust by two men who wanted to keep the original story alive- but after reading them about 100 times and "running" them through the same rigorous inspection I gave the TBPs, they turned up zero. So, I take that info with a grain of salt. I generally believe the base info, such as the interviews and their description of their own forays, as accurate- but their speculation is exactly that; speculation.

Well, the Hart Bros were just Treasure Hunters from Roanoke, Va. (@ 20 miles, WEST of Buford's/Montvale, Va.). They were looking for Treasure alluded to in the HART PAPERS, using the 3 pages of CIPHERS, only... NO Beale Expedition, "BE Story", etc. Clayton had the Ciphers pages from Newton Hazlewood (1st Lt. CSA & POSSIBLE Reb Spy/KGC). Clayton ALSO changed the numbers, slightly... dunno.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

ECS- A great question- and a very important question. Best to think about this from a Masonic perspective? The need to actually make money off the publication was not, and is not, a factor to Masons. No Masonic author, writing specifically about a Masonic topic, has ever made money off of a story. So, profit cannot be considered. Ward himself, was not a Mason, when the Papers were released. My total answer to you would be so long, and require so much back and forth, that I suggest you pick up my book- not that I want to sell books...but the answer is complicated, and the easiest way to explain it is for you to simply read the whole of it on your own, rather than a drawn out explanation. I believe Reb would agree?

Heh... if ya like VERY "Heavy" reading... like Bro Albert Pike! Gotta take it SLOW!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

No, nothing so fun. I'm an art director for Shanghai Disney (currently under construction)

AH SO!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I can see the FLYING DRAGON Roller Coaster, now. Be Mindful of Chinese Astrology; This IS the Year of the MONKEY! "Google" Chinese Year of the MONKEY... HH! Good Luck!
Beware of the FIRE MONKEY! Order Out of Chaos...

 

[Cryptography]

No, nothing so fun. I'm an art director for Shanghai Disney (currently under construction)

Shanghai Disney, cool gig dude.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

AND! The Chinese ppl love Feng Shui...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Now, I gotta eat Chinese Food, today... with CHOP-STICKS! FUN! Wife is NOT amused... "STOP playing with yer food, Dear..". HA!

 

[Cryptography]

Now, I gotta eat Chinese Food, today... with CHOP-STICKS! FUN! Wife is NOT amused... "STOP playing with yer food, Dear..". HA!

You know the guy that puts the menu on your condo door for Chinese food?

Seems a lot of people selling books on this forum!