Spanish Symbol

[RELICDUDE07]

Working on what name they may have tried to scratch off the map from around 1519 . Anyone know the symbol?

 

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[gollum]

Buddy, you're gonna have to get a good scan and post something larger.

Mike

 

[Old Dog]

Was just going to ask what kind of postage that was. LOL
Something along the lines of 50 to 90 KBs will show up well and not stress the page margins

 

[Gooner]

Working on what name they may have tried to scratch off the map from around 1519 . Anyone know the symbol?

looks like a rendering of a winged man, the eagle being the book of John, the winged lion being the book of Luke, so it is either Matthew or Mark being referenced here. are there any numbers accompanying the immediate image?

 

[gollum]

From all we have to go on here, as well as the poor resolution, it could just as well be an armadillo humping a goose. HAHAHA

Mike

 

[Old Dog]

here s my best attempt.

 

[gollum]

I know. I did that too, but it needs to be of better resolution.

Mike

 

[cw0909]

better resolution would help
edit to change pics,make one at at time

 

[cw0909]

RELICDUDE07,it looks bleed smeared,not scratched out,do you
have a scan of the back,same area

 

[Springfield]

Kinda reminds me of Mercury - wings, helmet, god

 

[RELICDUDE07]

I'm working on it guys...Does it look like a treasure chest with mutezumas symbol on top ? Gooner you may be close .was thinking also it could be a old graveyard area

 

[grillz]

relicdude;
Where was the name located that they tried to scratch off. ? I don't see anything that looks like scratches.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Looks like a word under the line?I was thinking just may be it was--well it's in the right area on the map -i think

 

[Gooner]

It looks as though numbers could be incorporated into the design element. A Bible vesre could be the key, as this was standard practice especially among the Spanish catholic priests.

 

[Pala Y Pico]

Your two, first responses where very important. Do not ignore. IMO

Please get a better picture.

 

[Gooner]

It looks as though numbers could be incorporated into the design element. A Bible vesre could be the key, as this was standard practice especially among the Spanish catholic priests.

Gooner, I had these numbers before your post but I am not sure what they mean? First inside the box I saw 3262 below it is the number 3,255,500R where the R may mean reales? Also on the right wing I see something like "mycyas" I don't suppose mayas but that would have been before reales wouldn't it? Also the word scratched through may be somewhere in Florida as I see the two letters "FL" I hope this helps "Relicdude07" in someway and I hope it does not get you side tracked in a wrong direction.

To go any farther I would have to see more of the map, or at the very least a better quality picture of what I have already seen, as others would agree.
Sometimes numbers are presented so that another symbol can point to one or more of them with an invisible intersecting line from the pull symbol. These can be very devious, while at the same time showing an exercise of utter simplicity. It only takes a little imagination and a straight edge, and a notepad to confirm these possibilities. I am sure Old Dog will more or less agree that it is well worth a try.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

I can not make the pic any bigger ,i have tried.It is a cortez map from 1519 many may have seen it before.I think the area has 4 post in the corners from what i can see & i'm thinking a death in the area ...Or a ceremonial place

 

[Rawhide]

I think you may be right. Sometimes thats all we get in old stuff. But yes it has signs of possible treasure. Measurements, warnings, and something new.

I have seen something of a winged boy before and was thinking it was someone playing games. Someone here put Montezumas name to it, which would fit.

There is a symbol used that leads me to believe this was probably a early use of signs. Look forawrd to see what comes of this.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Ok?Whats your guess

 

[Rawhide]

My Guess is it refers to a particular area.

I have found one that as you view it, you are also facing a mountain range with what appears terraformed features.

I have also seen wings on a large scale, in a shadow form. Only viewed at certain times of the year, and certain times of the day.

My best guess is the Spanish adopted the winged symbol as the area terraformed were too large to destroy by the Spanish, and were great ways to mark a certain area. So far, any symbol has had more than one meaning and I give just one.

Terraform of a area on a large scale is not accepted in most forums. It is why I succeed where others fail. I believe another people, such as Mayans worked large areas for religious ceremony.

The box below your picture appears to be a mine symbol. Again a guess would be some of the first Spanish miners to arrive also mixed surveyor signs into their work. The blade to the side of the winged setting man, is also a symbol I have found more than once.

Your map has much more on it. I am no expert, just a guy with too much time on his hands, and a good area to hunt pictures.