bigscoop
Gold Member
- Jun 4, 2010
- 13,376
- 8,704
- Detector(s) used
- Older blue Excal with full mods, Equinox 800.
- Primary Interest:
- All Treasure Hunting
I am continually surprised at the number of Beale theorist who still fail to realize the "potential impact" that the Adams Onis Treaty might have played in regards to the two alleged Beale deposits, especially so if it is true that this alleged wealth came from Spanish territories prior to the conclusion of this treaty. Here's why;
In essence the Adams Onis Treaty concluded that with the exchange of ownership of the outlined property that all Spanish possessions in that region would revert back to Span. So what did this imply and what did it mean? Basically it meant that Spain had claim to anything that could be proven to have belonged to Spain prior to the agreement, this even including silver, gold, and other forms of wealth. So even if you had traveled into Spanish territory and brought back a huge hoard of wealth from those territories the Adams Onis Treaty DID NOT provide you safe sanctuary even on U.S. Soil. Today we still see this same thing being played out in various maritime claims in U.S. waters that hold Spanish interest, etc. So, with the Adams Onis Treaty clearly looming in the close future what to do?
U.S banks are immediately ruled out, of course, this most likely allowing your wealth to be seized and, at the very least, tied up in the corrupt (and political) courts for years on end, all the while the cost of this losing battle bleeding you dry. So what to do with all of this wealth?
One might assume that the ten-year was possibly established to make certain that treaty was going to hold, or that there might later be introduced or established a statute of limitations that would eventually and hopefully allow for legal claim and possession. But this isn't very realistic logic given that the terms of the treaty were pretty clear and that almost immediately Spain and the United States began to enjoy other agreements aimed at important commerce and trade. Little doubt that the treaty would hold for quite some time even though Mexico was screaming and protesting like a little kid. The bottom line here is fairly simple, as long as the treaty held then the wealth would be subject to immediate Spanish claim and seizure by the courts so these possibilities never truly represent real possibilities. But there is a third possibility that just may be far more accurate then we allow ourselves to believe.
What if there were other complications that prevented you from transporting your hidden wealth to its original and intended destination for a period of ten-years, such as an entirely different country? What if you already knew that in ten years time you would be able to transport that wealth abroad to an entirely different country of choice where no such treaty existed, or even threatened to exist? What if you already knew exactly where that country was but that you just couldn't go there for another ten-years?
This is what is wrong with all of the KGC and CSA theories as there existed a number of “privately” held banks in the south where this wealth could have been easily transferred for safe keeping, many of these banks even being in the control of the many suspects these theories employ. However, this is not the case when one examines and applies the terms of the Adams Onis Treaty, not at all, as even these privately held banks could not protect against Spanish claim and almost certain seizure by the courts in face of the existing terms attached to the Adams Onis Treaty. So if you don't think the Adams Onis Treaty holds any possible relevance to the alleged two deposits, well then, perhaps you need to rethink things again.
As for that other possible country, there were many influential dignitaries and immigrants from other countries who wanted to return to their homelands but couldn't yet do so until certain restrictions still looming from the Nepolianic wars were lifted. Some of these, through political pressures and other means and events, were set to expire and did expire around the early 1830's. So what if you knew all of this prior to making those two deposits? What to do? What's the smart play?
In essence the Adams Onis Treaty concluded that with the exchange of ownership of the outlined property that all Spanish possessions in that region would revert back to Span. So what did this imply and what did it mean? Basically it meant that Spain had claim to anything that could be proven to have belonged to Spain prior to the agreement, this even including silver, gold, and other forms of wealth. So even if you had traveled into Spanish territory and brought back a huge hoard of wealth from those territories the Adams Onis Treaty DID NOT provide you safe sanctuary even on U.S. Soil. Today we still see this same thing being played out in various maritime claims in U.S. waters that hold Spanish interest, etc. So, with the Adams Onis Treaty clearly looming in the close future what to do?
U.S banks are immediately ruled out, of course, this most likely allowing your wealth to be seized and, at the very least, tied up in the corrupt (and political) courts for years on end, all the while the cost of this losing battle bleeding you dry. So what to do with all of this wealth?
One might assume that the ten-year was possibly established to make certain that treaty was going to hold, or that there might later be introduced or established a statute of limitations that would eventually and hopefully allow for legal claim and possession. But this isn't very realistic logic given that the terms of the treaty were pretty clear and that almost immediately Spain and the United States began to enjoy other agreements aimed at important commerce and trade. Little doubt that the treaty would hold for quite some time even though Mexico was screaming and protesting like a little kid. The bottom line here is fairly simple, as long as the treaty held then the wealth would be subject to immediate Spanish claim and seizure by the courts so these possibilities never truly represent real possibilities. But there is a third possibility that just may be far more accurate then we allow ourselves to believe.
What if there were other complications that prevented you from transporting your hidden wealth to its original and intended destination for a period of ten-years, such as an entirely different country? What if you already knew that in ten years time you would be able to transport that wealth abroad to an entirely different country of choice where no such treaty existed, or even threatened to exist? What if you already knew exactly where that country was but that you just couldn't go there for another ten-years?
This is what is wrong with all of the KGC and CSA theories as there existed a number of “privately” held banks in the south where this wealth could have been easily transferred for safe keeping, many of these banks even being in the control of the many suspects these theories employ. However, this is not the case when one examines and applies the terms of the Adams Onis Treaty, not at all, as even these privately held banks could not protect against Spanish claim and almost certain seizure by the courts in face of the existing terms attached to the Adams Onis Treaty. So if you don't think the Adams Onis Treaty holds any possible relevance to the alleged two deposits, well then, perhaps you need to rethink things again.
As for that other possible country, there were many influential dignitaries and immigrants from other countries who wanted to return to their homelands but couldn't yet do so until certain restrictions still looming from the Nepolianic wars were lifted. Some of these, through political pressures and other means and events, were set to expire and did expire around the early 1830's. So what if you knew all of this prior to making those two deposits? What to do? What's the smart play?
Coffee...?
