cooltone23
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It was wasome. Every time I got a hit, my heart skipped a bit and I would say to myself.... "Will this be it?" Totally woth waking up at 3 am to make it there by 8am.
The Battle Of Medina - an invitation to solve a mystery!
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Hi Mr SPWalker its going tobe hard to find this site because from what i have read
the soldiers were hung up in trees for 9 yrs as there bones decayed, so the bones
would be located at the base of the trees in the area which would be where the
Archaeologist should be looking, but for folks w/ metal detectors they should be looking
for items like cannon balls, metal cannon parts, Musket balls ect.
the soldiers were hung up in trees for 9 yrs as there bones decayed, so the bones
would be located at the base of the trees in the area which would be where the
Archaeologist should be looking, but for folks w/ metal detectors they should be looking
for items like cannon balls, metal cannon parts, Musket balls ect.
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Hi all, New to the forum, Live in San Antonio. Would love to tag along on the next outing if one is brewing. What a wonderful opportunity to be part of history!
Kevin
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Just learned of this forum from my father.
This is a very interesting link and incidentally, I have a good friend from the Jourdanton area whose family has several different ranched encompassing several thousand acres in the Joudanton/Pleasanton area.
I will hit him up to see if he may know where the battle could have taken place and if it may have happened on some of his family land.
Very very interesting.
This is a very interesting link and incidentally, I have a good friend from the Jourdanton area whose family has several different ranched encompassing several thousand acres in the Joudanton/Pleasanton area.
I will hit him up to see if he may know where the battle could have taken place and if it may have happened on some of his family land.
Very very interesting.
AnOldPro
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Hello all,
Reading this thread and a thought or two about your search for the location of the Battle of Medina came to mind that I wanted to share.
First off, and I know this is trivial, but if you are going to deal with "archies" you need to appear to be educated as they think we are all ignorant.... THE WORD IS.... SITE..... NOT "SIGHT". You are looking for the Medina Battle SITE.
Secondly, and of possibly much more importance to your search, I think, is that I have learned quite a bit about finding "lost battle" sites in my 30 + years of Civil War artifact hunting. I have found several lost CW battle sites that others were not able to. I found one in Scotland that they have been looking for over one thousand years. It took me all of two hours of research and map work to do it and go right to the correct site (which was nearly 50 miles from where everyone had been looking). In addition, I have personally recovered over 12,000 Civil War bullets from over 150 sites in 22 states. I lived in Texas for 20 years and hunted MANY a battle and camp site from several different wars in that state. All that being said... the point that I would like to offer for your consideration is that IF over 1000 were killed in that battle MANY THOUSANDS of musket balls were fired at the site! In the Civil War there were 10,000 bullets made and issued to the soldiers on both sides for EVERY soldier that was killed or wounded during the entire war. There should be at least 10,000 or more big musket balls waiting to signal the site location to any good metal detector, thick grass or not, at the Medina site unless they all got killed with knives and bayonets.
Use your 10 inch coils and do a "fast walk" pattern over the ground you suspect to be the site. When you find it the musket balls will sound off frequently and you will find dozens or even hundreds on your first hunt on the actual site. Even in an ambush situation I GUARANTEE that only a fraction of the killed fell with the first volley. There would have been volley after volley of bullets necessary to put down over 1000 troops who were themselves going to be firing back and seeking whatever cover they could find.
Most of the men would have been carrying at least 30 to 40 musket balls so you should also find a great deal of "drops" that show no damage at all because they were lost in the heat of battle and never used.
Another tip... when you start to get near the main battle site you will tend to find musket balls on the edges of the conflict that are pretty much intact with many of them showing only minimal dis-shaping or impact marks. There are the "spent" balls that traveled the farthest losing their power as they went. Thus when they hit the ground little damage was done to the shape of the ball. THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE CENTER OF THE ACTIONS THE MORE DAMAGE THE MUSKET BALLS FOUND WILL SHOW as their impact was strong enough to completely alter their shape in many cases.
You can read just about the entire history of a battle in the way, the location and condition that the fired bullets occupy the site itself.
Best wishes to all who continue the search for Medina in the future... SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND!
Oh... one more thing... BEWARE the National Park Service.... I was part of a group that tried to work with them, the State Of Texas and the San Antonio museum to help locate artifacts at the "salvors camp" on Padre Island back in the early 80's. Our group of eighteen had great success locating over 20 good artifacts in just under two hours. The Texas Antiquities Commission Archaelologist, J. Barto Arnold and the San Antonio Museum "archie", Dr. Herman Smith were elated with our work. The NPS treated us like crap and at that point ended the project and made us all leave the site though we had done absolutely NOTHING wrong... only what we had been asked to do. We later learned that they were "afraid" we might steal something. THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO KEEP THEIR AGREEMENTS!!!
AnOldPro
Reading this thread and a thought or two about your search for the location of the Battle of Medina came to mind that I wanted to share.
First off, and I know this is trivial, but if you are going to deal with "archies" you need to appear to be educated as they think we are all ignorant.... THE WORD IS.... SITE..... NOT "SIGHT". You are looking for the Medina Battle SITE.
Secondly, and of possibly much more importance to your search, I think, is that I have learned quite a bit about finding "lost battle" sites in my 30 + years of Civil War artifact hunting. I have found several lost CW battle sites that others were not able to. I found one in Scotland that they have been looking for over one thousand years. It took me all of two hours of research and map work to do it and go right to the correct site (which was nearly 50 miles from where everyone had been looking). In addition, I have personally recovered over 12,000 Civil War bullets from over 150 sites in 22 states. I lived in Texas for 20 years and hunted MANY a battle and camp site from several different wars in that state. All that being said... the point that I would like to offer for your consideration is that IF over 1000 were killed in that battle MANY THOUSANDS of musket balls were fired at the site! In the Civil War there were 10,000 bullets made and issued to the soldiers on both sides for EVERY soldier that was killed or wounded during the entire war. There should be at least 10,000 or more big musket balls waiting to signal the site location to any good metal detector, thick grass or not, at the Medina site unless they all got killed with knives and bayonets.
Use your 10 inch coils and do a "fast walk" pattern over the ground you suspect to be the site. When you find it the musket balls will sound off frequently and you will find dozens or even hundreds on your first hunt on the actual site. Even in an ambush situation I GUARANTEE that only a fraction of the killed fell with the first volley. There would have been volley after volley of bullets necessary to put down over 1000 troops who were themselves going to be firing back and seeking whatever cover they could find.
Most of the men would have been carrying at least 30 to 40 musket balls so you should also find a great deal of "drops" that show no damage at all because they were lost in the heat of battle and never used.
Another tip... when you start to get near the main battle site you will tend to find musket balls on the edges of the conflict that are pretty much intact with many of them showing only minimal dis-shaping or impact marks. There are the "spent" balls that traveled the farthest losing their power as they went. Thus when they hit the ground little damage was done to the shape of the ball. THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE CENTER OF THE ACTIONS THE MORE DAMAGE THE MUSKET BALLS FOUND WILL SHOW as their impact was strong enough to completely alter their shape in many cases.
You can read just about the entire history of a battle in the way, the location and condition that the fired bullets occupy the site itself.
Best wishes to all who continue the search for Medina in the future... SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND!
Oh... one more thing... BEWARE the National Park Service.... I was part of a group that tried to work with them, the State Of Texas and the San Antonio museum to help locate artifacts at the "salvors camp" on Padre Island back in the early 80's. Our group of eighteen had great success locating over 20 good artifacts in just under two hours. The Texas Antiquities Commission Archaelologist, J. Barto Arnold and the San Antonio Museum "archie", Dr. Herman Smith were elated with our work. The NPS treated us like crap and at that point ended the project and made us all leave the site though we had done absolutely NOTHING wrong... only what we had been asked to do. We later learned that they were "afraid" we might steal something. THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO KEEP THEIR AGREEMENTS!!!
AnOldPro
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Hea Marc ...Texan Connection refered to a valley called Galvan and i have just
located a map which shows that area.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/texas/txu-pclmaps-topo-tx-pleasanton-1942.jpg
located a map which shows that area.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/texas/txu-pclmaps-topo-tx-pleasanton-1942.jpg
cooltone23
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Dan has contacted me and advised of a second search along the Old Leal Raod on March 16 (Sunday). Unfortunately I won't be able to make it this time, but I hope some of you will. Please contac Dan Arellano for more info.
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MARCH 16th - The Battle Of Medina - an invitation to solve a mystery!
EVENT: Sunday, March 16th 2008
On Sunday, a group of amateur archeologists and historians will excavate the site of the Battle of Medina that took place less than 20 miles outside San Antonio on Aug. 18, 1813.
The place where the battle was fought has been nicknamed "the Forgotten Battlefield of Texas."
More than 1,000 Hispanic soldiers died in this battle for Texas independence 25 years before the Battle of the Alamo took place.
This battle is considered to be the bloodiest battle that ever occurred on Texas soil.
"More people were killed in this battle and its aftermath than in any of other conflicts of the Texas Revolution, on both sides combined," said Dan Arellano, author of a book about the battle called "Tejano Roots: A Family Legend."
There is a memorial 10 miles from the Alamo that not many people know about. There are no state markers directing visitors to it like other monuments.
When a group excavated the battle site in January, they found three musket balls, Arellano said.
The excavation is open to anyone. The group will meet at 8:30 a.m. Sunday at the Shell station at Loop 1604 and Highway 281 South. People should bring lunch, water and metal detectors. Items found will be photographed and turned over to the owner of the property, Arellano said.
For more information, call Arellano at (512) 826-7569.
EVENT: Sunday, March 16th 2008
On Sunday, a group of amateur archeologists and historians will excavate the site of the Battle of Medina that took place less than 20 miles outside San Antonio on Aug. 18, 1813.
The place where the battle was fought has been nicknamed "the Forgotten Battlefield of Texas."
More than 1,000 Hispanic soldiers died in this battle for Texas independence 25 years before the Battle of the Alamo took place.
This battle is considered to be the bloodiest battle that ever occurred on Texas soil.
"More people were killed in this battle and its aftermath than in any of other conflicts of the Texas Revolution, on both sides combined," said Dan Arellano, author of a book about the battle called "Tejano Roots: A Family Legend."
There is a memorial 10 miles from the Alamo that not many people know about. There are no state markers directing visitors to it like other monuments.
When a group excavated the battle site in January, they found three musket balls, Arellano said.
The excavation is open to anyone. The group will meet at 8:30 a.m. Sunday at the Shell station at Loop 1604 and Highway 281 South. People should bring lunch, water and metal detectors. Items found will be photographed and turned over to the owner of the property, Arellano said.
For more information, call Arellano at (512) 826-7569.
TXDIRTFISHER
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You didn't miss anything Bob.
Being new to detecting, it would have been a great opportunity to get together with knowledgeable detectors to learn some things about the hobby. Although a spring or summer timeframe would have been better for me. From the pictures I saw it sure looked cold out there.
cooltone23
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Only in the morning Snappy. By mid day it was about 80 degrees. It was a nice day on the first hunt.
aarthrj3811
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Tenderfoot
I'd be interested in coming up sometime soon. When is the next hunt?
The Slider
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UGH!!!!!!!!! I dont believe i missed it... WHen i got the email about this i was expecting another email about when and where. but never recieved one.. Maybe next time!
Chaz
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21stTNCav
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Man alive, send me a email or a notice or somthing if this is going to occour again!! I will be there.
cooltone23
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Another Shot!!!MEDIA ADVISORY Contact: Dan Arellano
512-826-7569
August 15, 2008
The “Battle of Medina” Archeological Survey.
On Sunday August 24, 2008 volunteers will depart at 7:30 A.M. from the Shell-McDonalds station at the N.West corner of Hi 281 South at 1604 south of San Antonio. From there we will be escorted to a ranch which could be the possible location of this historical event. The team will be led by Joe Alvarez, Rick Reyes and Dan Arellano, Author and Historian. Amateur and professional historians and archeologists are invited to participate.
It is an isolated location and volunteers are asked to bring their own lunch and water. Bring your metal detectors and shovels. This is not a finder’s keeper’s event; all artifacts will be cataloged and photographed.
The “Battle of Medina,” was the biggest and bloodiest battle ever fought on Texas soil. Over a thousand Tejanos sacrificed their lives for freedom that to this day remain unknown and unrecognized for their ultimate sacrifice.
For more information contact:
Dan Arellano
512-826-7569
[email protected]
http://www.tejanoroots.org
myelo1023
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I'm certainly going to try to make it! Do we need to email to participate, or just show up??
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