The Past, The Present, and The Future is no BBS

Sir Gala Clad

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Looking into my crystal ball I see:

The Minelab Sovereign GT in the past (100% probability) as it is out of production.

I see the Minelab Excalibur II and CTX-3030 in the present (100% probability) - another no brainer prediction).

Sadly I only see the Minelab CTX-3030 in the future (75% probability Oh No - the Excals will be forced to walk the plank). :cross: :unhappysmiley: :BangHead:

Before you shiver me timbers mate_e and flog me with your cat of nine, please note that this is MY OPINION which differs from most, if not all moderators.

The reason(s) for this dastardly prediction has to do with reliability, and repair costs, and profit margins. Sadly companies are not in business to sell us what we want, they are in business to make the most profit on their investment.

Minelab will make more profit by increasing sales of the higher priced CTX-3030 which I suspect: has a higher profit margin, less returns on warranty, cost less to repair and will be more reliable than the Excalibur II.

It is well known that reliability can be significantly improved by minimizing the use of analog components: mainly potentiometers {(pot) - not the smoking kind}, and switches plus replacing analog devices with digital designs where possible. Reducing the number of water proof seals ( there are eight or more on the Excal) should also help.

It is also faster and more cost effective to remove and replace small low cost digital circuit boards than to trouble shoot and repair analog components on a circuit board, especially if it is multi layer.

Unless one steps off into the abyss a 200 ft depth capability is a bit of overkill for shallow water hunting. It is probable that the market for diving detectors, which is what the Excalibur was designed for is much much smaller than the market for detectors for shallow water hunting.

To Me actions speak louder than reassurances:

Mine lab recently stopped production on the Sovereign, a more flexible BBS detector, and has raised the sale price of the Excalibur, which is Sovereign (with limited capabilities) ruggedized and optimized for diving . At the same time they have lowered the sale price of their CTX-3030 ( tutee tutee). If this trend continues the Excalibur no longer be affordable.

While you can treat a diver for bends by putting him in a hyperbaric chamber, there is not treatment for a price squeeze. One will either have to switch to the tutee tutee or another multifrequency detector which has been ruggedized for diving such as the CZ21.

I see less than a 2.5% probability of the return of the Sovereign or of a more powerful Excalibur (using recent Sovereign technology) in the future as it is far easier to be born again than rise from the dead.
 

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cdv1

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Interesting....but do you know something or was it a slip saying CZ31?

Cliff
 

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The CTX will never replace the Excal, not even close for many reasons that go beyond all the bells and whistles. Many water hunters can't even use the CTX in the environments they hunt in due to it's weight, increased drag, and complete inability to address these issues by simply relocating or redistributing the hardware like can be done with the Excal. Sells of the Sov were slowing, and have been, not true with the Excal, it's still the industry leader and the CTX certainly isn't going to change that. So, I'd say the Excal still has a fairly long manufacturing life ahead of it, though it is going to keep costing more. For all practical purposes the CTX is a very expensive land machine that can be taken into shallow water, it is not a water machine that can also be used on land. HUGE difference. I don't think you'll see the Excal go away until they have a true beach and water machine to replace it, which they don't, yet!
 

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For better or for worse I agree that BBS is on its way out. But I suspect the more probably outcome is that we see a new model with FSB2 technology that is meant to be a replacement for the Excal. Let's face it the Excal, while arguably a fantastic detector, has remained virtually unchanged since it came out in 1993. Consider the advances we have had in computers, cell phones, gps, cameras, etc. in that same time period. I would not be surprised if the Excal replacement were something along the lines of a scaled down CTX i.e. missing some of the whistles and bells (such as gps and wireless option) while making it more water proof.
 

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The excal is designed as a diving detector. It would be far easier to update the technology on the circuit board and call it the excal 3 than to design a whole new unit. The CTX was never meant for diving, more to be safe from wave dunkings.
 

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Unchanged since 1993 and it's still the industry leader in beach and water machines, sales are still great, the demand is still there. Says quite a bit. Minelab won't dare kill it until they can replace it with a machine that is either equal to, or better then the current Excal. Not a chance that they are going to risk losing that top market spot. And, like all machines, lets give the CTX another three years of actual consumer field use. A lot of opinions may change by then, wear problems and other issues including repair cost, etc., should start surfacing by then. A lot of highly touted machines have gone sour once they have had enough time in the consumer market. Like every machine before it, time will tell the tale on the CTX.
 

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Sir Gala Clad

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Sorry Cliff: It was a slip, and a most interesting one at that. I did not realize that it was possible to do wishful thinking at the subliminal level.

I have no close contacts or special sources of information in the metal detecting world.

My experience, is from the aerospace industry in reliability, circuit design, systems analysis , test and instrumentation, and determining policy. I was a generalist: Knowing some about all, being a master of none verses a specialist: Knowing more and more about less and less.

It is with this background (my crystal ball) which I based my future prediction(s) and concerns on.
 

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each technology replaces the former making it obsolete ex.- record player-8track-cassette-cd etc.
 

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waterproof seta technology. it will beat any detector out there and not out there 20times over
 

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Sir Gala Clad

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Snooksion: Are there an waterproof detectors using seta technology, which you would recommend.
From what I could find, it looks like it is used to find gold nuggets?

As I was not aware of this technology I had to look it up:
SETA (Smart Electronic Timing Alignment) is a highly complex method of matching the characteristics of individual Timings with continuous measurements from the surrounding electromagnetic environment, such as the earth’s magnetic field. This gives the advantage of improved detector performance through the complete removal of noise signals. The sensitivity across all Timings is increased, therefore SETA allows more gold to be found than any other metal detector technology
 

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