Unknown cap badge

[collectorconor]

Hi,i found what looks like a military cap badge today in Ireland.In the middle it has the coat of arms (england,scotland,wales and ireland)i think.Around the coat of arms it has the Order of the garter.Can anyone identify this for me please?

I do not think its a royal engineers or marines badge because it has a coat of arms in the middle not the GVR or ER symbol

 

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[daroofa]

Looks like a Royal Engineers badge.

 

[Frankyg]

Or maybe Royal Marines?

 

[Bryanhashemi]

Royal marines and royal engineers badge look similar. But I think its the Royal Engineers badge also. Just about spot on! good job daroofa and frank

 

[CRUSADER]

This might be a great find, but the photo is not good enough to see, but looks early 1800s

 

[collectorconor]

added clearer photos now

 

[collectorconor]

No,i dont think so bcause it has a coat of arms in the middle

 

[Bryanhashemi]

Don't see the clearer pics

 

[CRUSADER]

'Honi soit qui mal y pense'
The above is the easy bit.
Still looks early 1800s but hard to make out the Crown type or Monogram.

 

[collectorconor]

Here i just found a photo similar to it on the net,a royal engineers QVC pouch badge.But the bottom inscription says 'ubique',and thats not the case with mine.Everything else on it looks the same.

 

[CRUSADER]

Here i just found a photo similar to it on the net,a royal engineers QVC pouch badge.But the bottom inscription says 'ubique',and thats not the case with mine.Everything else on it looks the same. View attachment 767025 View attachment 767026

So now your close, if the Crown type is the same then we have narrowed yours to Victorian (& not early 1800s, kind of a shame). Therefore the words at the base will clinck it, what are they?

 

[collectorconor]

cant make them out... but i THINK the first word says tenth,or something like that.Very faint.

 

[CRUSADER]

cant make them out... but i THINK the first word says tenth,or something like that.Very faint.

It might be easier to read it from the reverse, where the imprint is

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

I searched but did not find a match for it there, but you might want to send photos to these folks: Military Cap Badges Glengarry Badge Shako Helmet & Belt Plates Regimental Insignia

Since it is an excavated, corroded, hard-to-read badge, you might want to mention to them that the word on the ribbon at the bottom is not "Ubique."

 

[collectorconor]

Yes,tried that,still cant make out

 

[nhbenz]

i THINK the first word says tenth,or something like that.Very faint.

Wow, quite different from my reading (as often happens in these cases), but I see the first word as either Mentis or Mentes, which is related to intelligence, sound mildness, etc. in Latin. Somewhat made me wonder if it might be from a school (King's School type place)
I do feel that whatever it says is in Latin. (as is the other text, as well as Ubique on the other example.
I see the second word as starting with "PO...?"
As always, I may be wrong.

 

[collectorconor]

Just thought id show you guys it cleaned up properly,still cant read the bottom but its still a fantastic find!