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A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. :P

 

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[GibH]

Then the question goes' who would use cheap 2 dollar parts on a real swiss? Doesn't make any sense to me. But this might be a good replica one tho.

It ain't like it's a Rolex. To me, a band is band. Speidel has been a popular watch band choice for years. I see them on all kinds of watches.

 

[Mahler]

It ain't like it's a Rolex. To me, a band is band. Speidel has been a popular watch band choice for years. I see them on all kinds of watches.

Again, why have a fake speildel armband imported from china on a real swiss watch? Sorry but there's too many signs telling its a fake / replica. Swiss watches are very popular among the fakers. But that's just my opinion. I could agree that the actual watch itself could be a good replica that's sold for around 100$ as new.

 

[GibH]

What signs other than the band? Not everyone is anal about bands, Like I said, while it may be a Swiss watch, it isn't one that is all that expensive.

 

[Mahler]

What signs other than the band? Not everyone is anal about bands, Like I said, while it may be a Swiss watch, it isn't one that is all that expensive.

1. he paided 37 cents per watch.
2, The armwrist is worth around 10 dollar.
3. A real swiss armband goes for 100$ +. And that's just the armband. Why on earth would anyone own a real swiss watch and have a 10$ armband to keep it on the arm? It's like having a 600$ bike with a..



Makes no sense at all...

 

[GibH]

omigod...

You said, and I quote, "too many signs telling it's a fake", but you keep harping on the band. I'm done.

 

[Mahler]

omigod...

You said, and I quote, "too many signs telling it's a fake", but you keep harping on the band. I'm done.

What do you see in the pictures that authenticates the swiss watch? Teach me.

 

[Mahler]

What about the fact that it only says "Swiss Watch" on it and not Victorinox Swiss Army? SO many things that tells its's a fake / replica.

 

[Mahler]

And that's just from the outside, let's check the inside and watch it

 

[Mahler]

I used to collect swiss army knifes, i know their brand. I'm no expert in watches, but i can tell you that this watch is a replica. Still worth more than 37 cents, so a + is always something.

 

[GibH]

What about the fact that it only says "Swiss Watch" on it and not Victorinox Swiss Army? SO many things that tells its's a fake / replica.

Now see, this is more like it. Most do say Victorinox with Swiss Army in smaller script below it. I can also find examples of this model that are like this, but I don't know if those are legit or not either.

I have no problems with someone pointing out a fake, but the band on this watch is not an indication. Now if it were brand new and the band was marked mMade in China, I would agree with you. The price paid isn't any indication of authenticity either. You will find MANY examples here of valuable items that forum members have found for next to nothing.

 

[Mahler]

Now see, this is more like it. Most do say Victorinox with Swiss Army in smaller script below it. I can also find examples of this model that are like this, but I don't know if those are legit or not either.

I have no problems with someone pointing out a fake, but the band on this watch is not an indication. Now if it were brand new and the band was marked mMade in China, I would agree with you. The price paid isn't any indication of authenticity either. You will find MANY examples here of valuable items that forum members have found for next to nothing.

I understand your point of view, i wouldn't state its being fake if i only had the armband marked "china" to go with. But if you put all the things that's "wrong" with it, the price you paid for it, the armband and that the brand name isn't even on the front, you can see the truth.
Victorinox does always have their brand name on the front of the watch, the "Swiss Army" is just the type of the design. Like Ray-Ban always have their logo on their sunglasses, but they do come in different types like "aviator" for example. There's plenty of replicas out there that have the Victorinox mark at the front as well, and they are harder to authenticate, most likely you will have to open it up and study the craftmanship of the watch. This howere was pretty easy to spot the difference. Usually when a deal is too good to be true, it most likely is! But you're right, sometimes you can get that golden deal.

 

[Drmad7]

I have an authentic Omega Geneve Automatic from Goodwill. It came with a rough Speidel band. From Goodwill in a $30 jar. It is the SECOND Omega I have picked up in a jar for $30 from Goodwill. I have several hundred watches from mostly Goodwill...I means hundreds. Of the great Omegas, Gerard Ps and others among the lot, only ONE had the original band. The rest were mostly aftermarket Speidel. As far as the last Omega...I bought a leather Dakota band and wear it. Didn't want to spend $80 on a nice lizard band. Some folks are cheap like that.

 

[Drmad7]

From watchuseek:
Thank you very much for answers received. Today I sent a mail to Victorinox HQ in Schwitzerland. I got this answer:

"Dear Hans, Thank you for contacting us and for wearing a Victorinox Swiss Army watch. Further to your concern regarding Swiss Army and Victorinox Swiss Army brand names, we can reassure you, both brand names are identical and authentic Victorinox watches. Swiss Army (www.swissarmy.com) and Victorinox Swiss Army (www.victorinoxswissarmy.com) are selling the same products, produced at the same plants in Switzerland where each company used to put their own logo on the dial.At the time, the brand name Swiss Army was aim for the US, the Canadian and the Caribbean markets, whereas Victorinox Swiss Army is aim for the rest of the world. Today, all our watches are branded Victorinox Swiss Army, without differentiation anymore."
Regards H-M

 

[Spartcom5]

I for one love the speidel flex bands lol. They can break easily but I like the look and to me they are comfy! The watch without a doubt is real, probably came on a leather strap originally. On goodwills auction site a few months back they had a $5,000 Omega Speedmaster Pro and what was it on? A speidel twist flex. Also, Omega actually had official branded Omega twist flex bracelets that were original to some watches in the 60s. Careful with any of these though they can chew lugs down on solid gold and gold filled watch cases.

 

[Mahler]

Nice reading and i'm already aware that there's authentic vintage watches that has the "Swiss Army" only. But if you take a look at this model and the back of it, you can kinda see it's missing some stuff, for example the marking with the famous flag of Switzerland. And the brand text is kinda poorly made lol...

Example of the authentic one: Look at the details on the back and mechanics.


Sorry but this watch posted here is a fake one...

 

[trdhrdr007]

I understand your point of view, i wouldn't state its being fake if i only had the armband marked "china" to go with. But if you put all the things that's "wrong" with it, the price you paid for it, the armband and that the brand name isn't even on the front, you can see the truth.
Victorinox does always have their brand name on the front of the watch, the "Swiss Army" is just the type of the design. Like Ray-Ban always have their logo on their sunglasses, but they do come in different types like "aviator" for example. There's plenty of replicas out there that have the Victorinox mark at the front as well, and they are harder to authenticate, most likely you will have to open it up and study the craftmanship of the watch. This howere was pretty easy to spot the difference. Usually when a deal is too good to be true, it most likely is! But you're right, sometimes you can get that golden deal.

I'm not going to comment about whether or not the watch is fake because I'm not a watch specialist. I buy/sell for a living & can tell you that "golden deals" are fairly common. I buy at least one item every week for $5 or less that I'm able to resell for $100 or more. I buy at least one item every month for less than $30 that sells for over $1000. The vast majority of the items I deal in cost me less than 10% of the sale price. The price paid has very little to do with authenticity.

 

[Mahler]

I'm not going to comment about whether or not the watch is fake because I'm not a watch specialist. I buy/sell for a living & can tell you that "golden deals" are fairly common. I buy at least one item every week for $5 or less that I'm able to resell for $100 or more. I buy at least one item every month for less than $30 that sells for over $1000. The vast majority of the items I deal in cost me less than 10% of the sale price. The price paid has very little to do with authenticity.

That's nice to hear, i hope you know how to authenticate whatever it is that you deal in (Y) Selling replicas / fake ones as authentics isn't profitable in the long run... A bad reputation can come quickly if so.
"when a deal is too good to be true, it most likely is" is the motto I follow
The OP wanted to know what kind of watches he had, and i gave him my opinion on the swiss one being a fake one.
He can either listen to my opinion or not, that's up to him.

 

[trdhrdr007]

That's nice to hear, i hope you know how to authenticate whatever it is that you deal in (Y) Selling replicas / fake ones as authentics isn't profitable in the long run... A bad reputation can come quickly if so.
"when a deal is too good to be true, it most likely is" is the motto I follow
The OP wanted to know what kind of watches he had, and i gave him my opinion on the swiss one being a fake one.
He can either listen to my opinion or not, that's up to him.

I tried to be polite about this & you decided to insinuate that I'm selling replicas/fakes. I took 20 minutes, did a little research, & will flat out say that the vast majority of what you have said is completely wrong.

In the first place, this model watch is currently available at Saks 5th Avenue online for $197 & at Walmart for $249. Used we're talking about maybe half that. Your claim that it "Might be a 100 dollar replica you have" is ridiculous. Replica's sell for a fraction of the cost of a real watch.....not for what a real used one might sell for on a good day.

You made this statement: "if you put all the things that's "wrong" with it, the price you paid for it, the armband and that the brand name isn't even on the front, you can see the truth". All of these claims are patently false with the last 2 being easily debunked. The matter of price is only your opinion & has about as much validity as everything else you have said.

By 1997 Spiedel had changed hands. New management kept company headquarters within the United States & outsourced all manufacturing. Your claim that this is "a fake speildel armband imported from china on a real swiss watch" is unfounded.

You follow that up by stating "What about the fact that it only says "Swiss Watch" on it and not Victorinox Swiss Army?" followed by "Victorinox does always have their brand name on the front of the watch". You then directly contradict that statement by saying "i'm already aware that there's authentic vintage watches that has the "Swiss Army" only". Obviously you spoke without direct knowledge & changed your tune when someone proved otherwise.

The only thing you have said that is 100% true is that the OP's watch doesn't have the Swiss flag on the movement like the one in the youtube video. It's entirely possible that's a sign of a fake. It's also possible the OP's watch is an earlier model & the Swiss flag was added to the movement after the watch had been in production for a few years.

 

[GibH]

trdhrdr007, you're wasting your time. Some people are just obtuse.